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=== {{TranslateThis
| en = has immediate cause
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1478
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = granular factor that directly resulted in this outcome or effect.  Used in conjunction with 'cause' (i.e. underlying cause), when the 'immediate cause' directly followed any values in 'cause'. Multiple values allowed.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= None
|datatype		= item
|domain			= None.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|allowed values		= Any.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|source			= external references
|example		= {{Q|55811}} ''has immediate cause'' {{Q|853930}}, {{Q|3032301}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
In talk about causes, things are often broken down into "underlying cause", "immediate cause" and "contributing factor".  This proposal is part of a series to add those properties to Wikidata and help us structure data about causes.  The goal is let Wikidata model causation in a way that balances expressiveness and simplicity.  It emerges from discussion at [[Property_talk:P828#A_better_way_to_model_causation]] ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P828&oldid=156773053#A_better_way_to_model_causation permalink]).  See there for extended examples and discussion.  If these properties are created, then fuller guidelines and documentation will be put together based on the linked discussion and any comments below. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

[[User:Danneks|Danneks]], [[User:Genewiki123|Genewiki123]], [[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]], [[User:Micru|Micru]], [[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]], [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]], [[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]], [[User:Wouterstomp|WS]], [[User:Matthiassamwald|Matthiassamwald]], [[User:Danrok|Danrok]], [[User:John_Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]], others, there seems to be general agreement in [[Property_talk:P828#A_better_way_to_model_causation]] for a three-tiered approach to modelling causation.  Cause is a complex subject but I think we can grow guidelines over time as we gain experience with structuring data about causation in different domains.  Please comment and vote here on this property, and also on the 'has contributing factor' property proposal below.  Assuming consensus is shown here on this three-tier framework, I'll plan to label of [[Property:P828|P828]] from 'medical causes' to 'has cause' and update its description accordingly.  Thanks, [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Emw|John Vandenberg|Micru|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = has contributing factor
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1479
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = condition, event or other thing that significantly contributed to, but did not directly cause, this outcome or effect.  Multiple values allowed.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= None
|datatype		= item
|domain			= None.  See examples and discussion.
|allowed values		= Any.  See examples and discussion.
|source			= external references
|example		= {{Q|8676}} ''has contributing factor'' {{Q|5032419}}, {{Q|690462}}, {{Q|331377}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
See proposal for 'has immediate cause' above. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

* {{support}} [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Emw|John Vandenberg|Micru|Danneks}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| ru = обстоятельства источника
| en = sourcing circumstances
<!-- |xx = имена свойства на других языках -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1480
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = sourcing circumstances
  | ru = обстоятельства источника
  }}
|infobox parameter	= primary dates and places in infoboxes
|datatype		= item
|domain			= qualifiers can be used for references and also for claims, if all specified references for claim would have the same qualifier
|allowed values		= very limited set of values, precisely documented on property talk page, including:
** "approximate value" -- the source specified value and explicitly stated that value is approximate, but specify no precision information. For example, "born around 1709" or "died near Berlin".
** "possibly approximate value" -- the source specified not-ideally-precise value (like year instead of date of birth) and did not explicitly stated that value is approximate, but other sources explicitly did.
** "unspecified calendar" -- the source did not explicitly specify used calendar for dates between 1582-10-15 and 1918-01-26 (or, for example, for dates in context when Japanese calendar ''could'' be used), calendar model is assumed basing on source information and/or comparison with other sources
** "misprint" -- the information in source differs very little from other sources and ''suspect'' to have a typo
** "miscalculation" -- source provides both calculation sources, methodology (or link to it) and calculation result, but result is different from other sources and manual calculation basing on provided description
|source			= sources themselves, sometimes infoboxes for import ("born about 1234 year")
|example		= &nbsp;
** "misprint" example
*** {{Q|Q1344765}} → {{P|569}}
**** 1926-10-09 ( rank = normal )
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q2627728}} )
**** 1936-10-09 + ( rank = deprecated )
***** (as qualifier), "sourcing circumstances" = "misprint"
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q36578}}, "sourcing circumstances" = "misprint" )
** "approximate value" example
*** {{Q|Q9038}} → {{P|569}}
**** 780 ( rank = normal )
***** (as qualifier) "sourcing circumstances" = "approximate value"
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q14525437}}, "sourcing circumstances" = "approximate value" )
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q547473}}, "sourcing circumstances" = "approximate value" )
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q36578}}, "sourcing circumstances" = "possibly approximate value" )
**** 783 ( rank = normal )
***** (as qualifier) "sourcing circumstances" = "approximate value"
***** ( stated in {{Q|Q2627728}}, "sourcing circumstances" = "approximate value" )
|filter			= —
|robot and gadget jobs	= some conditions shall be checked using bot:
** some values implies existence of other ''claims'' with sources and "deprecated" rank of the claim ("misprint", "miscalculation") 
** some values implies existence of other ''references'' to the same claim ("possibly approximate value", "unspecified calendar" (if attached to reference))
** "unspecified calendar" could be used only for time
|proposed by		= [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Need to model complex sourcing cases with boolean "flags" like specifies above for cases like "born around 1709". [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

*{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{pour}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 13:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{comment}} - Could you provide examples of various usages? This is essential to properly document its use.  '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 15:32, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
** {{ping|Laddo}} i've added some examples to proposal. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
::: {{support}} OK now I get it.  '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 20:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}, necessary for integration with infoboxes. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Vlsergey|Micru|Ayack|Laddo|Danneks}} {{done}}--'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Sports Reference ID
| fr = identifiant Sports Reference
| nb = Sports Reference-id
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1447
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID on the website [[w:Sports Reference|Sports Reference]].
  }}
|infobox parameter	= "1" or "ID" in [[:en:Template:Sports-reference]] and [[:no:Mal:Sports-reference]]
|datatype		= string
|domain			= Persons
|allowed values		= Not sure how to put it in regex, but the format is for example <code>ja/anne-jahren-1</code> for [[:no:Anne Jahren]]
|suggested values	= 
|source			= Mainly [[:en:Template:Sports-reference]] (and in other languages)
|example		= {{Q|256757}} => ja/anne-jahren-1
|filter			= An edit filter could check validity
|robot and gadget jobs	= [[User:JhsBot|My bot]] can import values from various Wikipedias
|proposed by		= [[User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] ([[User talk:Jon Harald Søby|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This is a very useful database for sports articles, and being able to pull their IDs from Wikidata would be immensely helpful for the projects. [[User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] ([[User talk:Jon Harald Søby|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --- [[User:Løken|Løken]] ([[User talk:Løken|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}} linking to a sportsreference profile is common in EL sections on enwiki. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 20:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Jon Harald Søby|Løken|AmaryllisGardener}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 17:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| ru = ID на сайте католической энциклопедии
| en = ID on catholic.ru
| fr = identifiant catholic.ru
<!-- |xx = имена свойства на других языках -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1453
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID on catholic.ru encyclopedia, based on {{Q|Q4217446}}, in Russian
  | fr = identifiant sur le site de l'{{Q|Q4217446}}
  | ru = ID на сайте католической энциклопедии catholic.ru, основанной на {{Q|Q4217446}}
  }}
|infobox parameter	= —
|datatype		= string
|domain			= Christianity and related
|allowed values		= \d+
|source			= site itself
|example		= {{Q|Q9438}} → 485
|filter			= —
|robot and gadget jobs	= Gadget URL: {{Q|Q9438}} → 485 → http://www.catholic.ru/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=485
|proposed by		= [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Another reliable encyclopedia link. [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{pour}}. — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 11:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Vlsergey|Micru|Ayack}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 19:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = WALS lect code
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1466
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Language code from the World Atlas of Language Structures (wals.info).
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|17376908}} or a subclass (in practice languages, dialects, and "varieties")
|allowed values		= strings consisting of three lowercase letters
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= http://wals.info/languoid, http://glottolog.org/meta/downloads has conversion between multitree (linguist list), ISO 639, glottocodes, and WALS codes
|example		= {{Q|3295916}} -> [http://wals.info/languoid/lect/wals_code_mwa mwa], {{Q|4938727}} -> [http://wals.info/languoid/lect/wals_code_boq boq]
|filter			= regex /^[a-z]{3}$/ should work
|robot and gadget jobs	= It could be done.
|proposed by		= [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This would be a useful addition, as some languages with WALS codes don't have ISO 639-3 (yet). [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]]) 02:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|PiRSquared17|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 19:33, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = WALS genus code
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1467
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Language "genus" code from the World Atlas of Language Structures (wals.info).
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|17376908}} or a subclass (in practice language families and dialect continua)
|allowed values		= strings consisting of one or more lowercase letters
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= http://wals.info/languoid, http://glottolog.org/meta/downloads has conversion between multitree (linguist list), ISO 639, glottocodes, and WALS codes
|example		= {{Q|1584402}} -> [http://wals.info/languoid/genus/harakmbet harakmbet], {{Q|33942}} -> [http://wals.info/languoid/genus/pamanyungan pamanyungan]
|filter			= regex /^[a-z]+$/ should work
|robot and gadget jobs	= It could be done.
|proposed by		= [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This would be a useful addition, as many language families with WALS genus codes don't have ISO 639-3 (yet). [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]]) 02:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|PiRSquared17|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 19:45, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = WALS family code
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1468
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Language (super-)family code from the World Atlas of Language Structures (wals.info).
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|17376908}} or a subclass (in practice only language families)
|allowed values		= strings consisting of one or more letters that are valid WALS identifiers
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= http://wals.info/languoid, http://glottolog.org/meta/downloads has conversion between multitree (linguist list), ISO 639, glottocodes, and WALS codes
|example		= {{Q|1974973}} -> [http://wals.info/languoid/family/guaicuruan guaicuruan]
|filter			= regex /^[a-z]+$/ should work
|robot and gadget jobs	= It could be done.
|proposed by		= [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This would be a useful addition, as some language families with WALS codes don't have ISO 639-3 (yet). Many of these have glottocodes however. [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]]) 02:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|PiRSquared17|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = FIFA player code
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
| nb = FIFA-spillerkode
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1469
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Player code in the official FIFA database
  }}
|infobox parameter      = {{Q|6526850}}
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = {{Q|5}}
|allowed values         = \d+
|suggested values       = (deprecated)
|source                 = {{Q|6526850}}
|example                = Pretty much any footballer you can think of. {{Q|142794}} => [http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=314197/ 314197]
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = [[User:JhsBot|My bot]] can import values from various Wikipedias
|proposed by            = [[User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] ([[User talk:Jon Harald Søby|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This one would be great, because it is very versatile. Not only can you use it to link to the [http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=314197/ general stats and records for a player], but also to their [http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player=314197/index.html Confederations Cup profile] and [http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player=314197/index.html World Cup profile] and so on.  [[User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] ([[User talk:Jon Harald Søby|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:17, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Jon Harald Søby|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:09, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Patientplus ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1461
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID at patient.co.uk
  }}
|infobox parameter	= it'll be used directly
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|12136}}
|allowed values		= letters, numbers, and some extra characters like '()-
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= [http://www.patient.co.uk/patientplus/a.htm] and on
|example		= {{Q|Q161790}} => [http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Asperger%27s-Syndrome.htm Asperger's-Syndrome]
|filter			= [A-Za-z\-'\(\)]
|robot and gadget jobs	= Dexbot will do
|proposed by		= [[User:Ladsgroup|Amir]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
I was asked by one of medicine content writer in English Wikipedia [[User:Ladsgroup|Amir]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} - Hi Amir {{ping|Ladsgroup}}. Don't forget to ping the appropriate project if you request a property :) That will speed up voting. [[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping project|Medicine}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} After seeing the outcome of a similiar project at [[:en:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Wikidata_project_to_associate_drugs_with_interactions]] I feel like I would want this kind of property to use for other, similar government websites to get a comparable outcome. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 16:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you, I'll do the next time [[User:Ladsgroup|Amir]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Ladsgroup|Tobias1984|Bluerasberry}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 00:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = PRDL ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1463
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID for authors in {{Q|7233488}}
  }}
|infobox parameter	= Not an infobox, but [[:en:Template:PRDL]] uses this parameter
|datatype		= string
|domain			= persons
|allowed values		= numbers 1 to 6205
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= I have a spreadsheet cross-referenced by Worldcat ID.
|example		= {{Q|37577}} => 1 (see http://prdl.org/author_view.php?a_id=1)
|filter			= 1 to 4 digit number
|robot and gadget jobs	= I'm not sure how this works, but if it is possible for me to prepare the spreadsheet and hand it over to a bot that would be nice.
|proposed by		= [[User:Jfhutson|Jfhutson]] ([[User talk:Jfhutson|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
A very useful website. [[User:Jfhutson|Jfhutson]] ([[User talk:Jfhutson|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Nupill Literatura Digital - Author
| pt = Nupill Literatura Digital - Autor
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1473
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Author ID on Nupill Literatura Digital
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|5}}
|allowed values		= numbers
|source			= http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/
|example		= {{Q|203623}} => 7416 (http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/autores/?id=7416)
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
[http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/ Nupill Literatura Digital] is an impressive database regarding authors and books in portuguese language and about portuguese speaking countries/cultures. Certainly a must have for Wikidata. [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Nupill Literatura Digital - Document
| pt = Nupill Literatura Digital - Documento
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1474
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Work ID on Nupill Literatura Digital
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|386724}}
|allowed values		= numbers
|source			= http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/
|example		= {{Q|1464493}} => 136488 (http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/documentos/?id=136488)
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
[http://www.literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/ Nupill Literatura Digital] is an impressive database regarding authors and books in portuguese language and about portuguese speaking countries/cultures. Certainly a must have for Wikidata. [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|555|Micru}} Created in addition to {{P|1473}}. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| de = vici.org Identifier
| en = vici.org identifier
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1481
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Identifier of a historical place of the roman empire at vici.org
  | de = Identifier eines historischen römischen Ortes bei vici.org
  }}
|datatype		= string
|domain			= archeological and historical places, e.g. {{Q|2311719}}
|allowed values		= positive integer
|source			= http://vici.org
|example		= {{Q|2311719}} => [http://vici.org/vici/49 49]
|filter			= ?
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:JakobVoss|JakobVoss]] ([[User talk:JakobVoss|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
[http://vici.org vici.org] provides a mapping to Wikidata items. These links should be brought back into Wikidata to be reused by other parties. I contacted them to provide a dump of mappings to be imported in Wikidata. -- [[User:JakobVoss|JakobVoss]] ([[User talk:JakobVoss|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I've added a BEACON file to make life easier. It is at http://vici.org/BEACON.txt . Let me know if things need to change. Coming months I hope to link much more places.--[[User:René Voorburg|René Voorburg]] ([[User talk:René Voorburg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC) 
-- Always uptodate is http://vici.org/vici/all/rdf . The dataset now contain about 20.000 objects.[[User:René Voorburg|René Voorburg]] ([[User talk:René Voorburg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|JakobVoss|René Voorburg|Kolja21|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:23, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Stack Exchange tag
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1482
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Link to tag for the concept on a Stack Exchange network website like StackOverflow.com
  }}
|datatype		= URL
|domain			= Very general, since Stack Exchange sites cover a wide variety of domains, although each site is usually rather well scoped.
|allowed values		= URLs on any of Stack Exchange sites ([http://stackexchange.com/sites full list]) of the form "http://''site''/tags/''tag''"
|source			= external reference
|example		= {{Q|59}} => "http://stackoverflow.com/tags/php"; {{Q|1240211}} => "http://english.stackexchange.com/tags/present-perfect-tense"
|filter			=
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bots could look for new tags, look for tag aliases, etc.
|proposed by		= [[User:Bskaggs|Bskaggs]] ([[User talk:Bskaggs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
I've curated a list of a few thousand [[Q549037|Stack Overflow]] tags and their corresponding Wikipedia articles.  I [[Wikidata:Project_chat#Are_links_to_Stack_Overflow_tags_and_other_Stack_Exchange_network_sites_appropriate_in_Wikidata.3F|asked on the project chat about how to incorporate it]], and [[User:Emw|Emw]] suggested that this seems like the right place to store the information.  I just built a list for StackOverflow.com, but I'm sure this can be done for any of the other sites.

I need a little clarification about creating such a property - is it acceptable to have multiple values of this property for the same entity?  Because, for example, {{Q|11354}} should link to at least [http://stackoverflow.com/tags/apache "apache" on StackOverflow.com], [http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/apache-2.2 "apache-2.2" on ServerFault.com], and [http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/apache-2.4 "apache-2.4" on ServerFault.com].  Also, notice how some sites have separate tags for distinct versions of some software; would this be fine?  Finally some Stack Exchange correspond to things that only have a sub-section of a Wikipedia article, and I'm not sure of the right way to refer to them on Wikidata.

Thanks for your input! [[User:Bskaggs|Bskaggs]] ([[User talk:Bskaggs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Informatics}} {{Ping|Emw}}

* {{Support}}.  This is a fantastic idea.  [[User:Bskaggs|Bskaggs]], I recommend using pywikibot to enter this data; see [[Wikidata:Creating_a_bot#Pywikibot]].  You ask a few questions:

:* ''"is it acceptable to have multiple values of this property for the same entity?"''
:: Yes, I think that would be acceptable, especially in the initial implementation.  Ideally, in my opinion, we would separate each version of a piece of software into its own Wikidata item even if it does not have a Wikipedia article, but that's probably too ambitious to start with.  So if {{Q|11354}} links [http://stackoverflow.com/tags/apache "apache" on StackOverflow.com], [http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/apache-2.2 "apache-2.2" on ServerFault.com], and [http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/apache-2.4 "apache-2.4" on ServerFault.com], that's fine.  We can refine things later.

:* ''"Also, notice how some sites have separate tags for distinct versions of some software; would this be fine?"''
:: Yes.

:* ''"Finally some Stack Exchange correspond to things that only have a sub-section of a Wikipedia article, and I'm not sure of the right way to refer to them on Wikidata."''
:: Please create an item for those things.  You can do so programmatically.  [[Wikidata:Bots]] has a lot of bots that do this kind of stuff and [[Wikidata:Bot_requests]] has notes on past work.

{{Ping project|Informatics}} (your previous might not have gone through.) [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

:{{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
<s>*{{O}} Unless I'm greatly mistaken, StackOverflow is a forum of sorts, so why link to it? --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)</s>
*{{s}} Tag creation on stackoverflow is done by [http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges experienced users], users can not tag their questions with less common tags and stackoverflow itself is under "cc by-sa 3.0" so this is supporting another free knowledge database, I don't see any reason to oppose and like the idea. Also in future they can integrate their service with Wikidata for retrieving descriptions or we can compare our descriptions with theirs. –[[User:Ebraminio|ebraminio]]<sup>[[User talk:Ebraminio|talk]]</sup> 13:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Bskaggs|Emw|Micru|Ebraminio}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
|en = Iran statistics id
|fa = کد اداره آمار ایران
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1010
|description		= 
{{TranslateThis
  | en=Iran's statistics id which is used at http://www.amar.org.ir/ for Iran's settlement places 
  | fa =کد اداره آمار برای آبادی‌های ایران که در وب‌گاه ادارهٔ آمار مورد استفاده قرار می‌گیرد
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= String
|domain			= Iran's settlement places (Province, County, City, village)
|allowed values		= Number from 2-19 digit
|source			= http://www.amar.org.ir/Default.aspx?tabid=1603 at excel files
|example		= Iran stat > 0302 for {{Q|Q911727}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= It will useful for bots to update people census of Iran's settlements by excel files which are published by http://www.amar.org.ir/ every 5 years
|proposed by		= [[User:Yamaha5|Yamaha5]] ([[User talk:Yamaha5|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
The suggested code will be useful to find correct places at statistical tables of Iran's statistics organization. Iran has many settlements which have the same name and disambiguate of them needs this code. also in other Iran's data centers like [http://gndb.ncc.org.ir/Pages/jpgMaps.aspx?end=z7ycwRIJdHY= this] they uses this code (كدآماري). [[User:Yamaha5|Yamaha5]] ([[User talk:Yamaha5|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Looks great! –[[User:Ebraminio|ebraminio]]<sup>[[User talk:Ebraminio|talk]]</sup> 13:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{Support}} --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:22, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{Support}}--[[User:Calak|<span style="color:blue"><span style="font-size:13px">'''Çalak'''</span></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Calak|'''<span style="color:red">talk</span>''']]</sub> 09:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{Done}} –[[User:Ebraminio|ebraminio]]<sup>[[User talk:Ebraminio|talk]]</sup> 00:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Wikipedian in Residence at
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = A venue or organisation where the person has worked as a [[:w:Wikipedian in Residence]]
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item (perhaps also string?)
|domain			= Persons
|allowed values		= People
|source			= List at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence
|example		= {{Q|5060734}} => {{Q|2154134}}
|filter			= 
|proposed by		= <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span>
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
If the community prefers, this could be reversed, as a property of the institution. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
*[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy]], we already have {{p|937}} for such cases.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
**And how does that tell us that someone was a WiR (as opposed to a curator, or a janitor)? Also, many WiR posts are voluntary, not "work". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
***Using {{p|106}} as qualifier you can describe the position. We don't have any property for salary yet (currency units still will take a while), but when we do you could enter "salary:no value" for volunteers.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} Redundant to the aforementioned property.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

{{not done}} Redundant to existing property.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = plea
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1437
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = qualifier for "convicted of". Indicates whether the person pleaded guilty, not guilty, etc.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|5}}
|allowed values		= legal pleas
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= Wikipedia articles, court documents, etc.
|example		= {{Q|4354485}} => {{Q|705178}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Needed for use with {{P|1399}} property. Probably important that we have this for living persons especially those who pleaded innocent (and may well be). [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 13:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Danrok|Micru|Emw}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 17:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
|en = bulk proposal: rugby union players IDs
|it = proposta massiva: identificatori per rugbisti a 15
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= Barbarians, All Blacks, British Lions, French Barbarians, Pro12, ErcRugby, ItsRugby
|infobox parameter	= all parameters of [[:it:Template:Link statistiche rugbisti a 15]] ({{P|858}} and {{P|861}} already exist)
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{statement||106|14089670}}
|allowed values		= strings
|source			= itwiki, external websites
|example		= {{Q|3609130}} <ErcRugby> "1660"
|filter			= property-by-property
|robot and gadget jobs	= bots can import such data
|proposed by		= <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#004B70">Ricordi</span>]][[User talk:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#00703E">samoa</span>]]</span> 15:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
: Are those club-specific player IDs which would only apply to a small group of rugby players? Not sure what the policy is for such rather special properties. --[[User:Bthfan|Bthfan]] ([[User talk:Bthfan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
::{{o}} In my opinion, most of these properties are not needed. For Barbarians, All Blacks, French Barbarians, you can use the following syntax :
::{{Q|726148}} {{P|54}} {{Q|55801}} 
::{{P|1352}} 1014.
::What's more, neither the official british & irish lions' website nor the ERCrugby one do use proper identification numbers. I don't see the need to store numbers in wikidata then. I think it would be better to have one proposal for each type of ID. That way, we would be more able to sort out which property is needed and which is not. --[[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

{{not done}} Redundant to existing property.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = FideID
| de = FideID
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1440
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID for chess players used by the World Chess Federation (FIDE)
  }}
|infobox parameter	= "FideID" in [[:en:Template:Infobox chess biography]] and in [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Schachspieler]] ({{Q|5619879}})
|datatype		= string
|domain			= Persons
|allowed values		= The IDs are strings of digits in range 0-9
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= FIDE (Lists with all players can be downloaded from http://ratings.fide.com/download.phtml); Wikipedia infoboxes (parameter FideID in enwiki and dewiki); Wikipedia Template ({{Q|6309645}}, [[:en:template:Fide]], [[:de:Vorlage:FIDE]]) as "id" or first unnamed parameter.
|example		= {{Q|106807}} → "1503014"; {{Q|470788}} → "8601445"
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= If chess players have this property, it will be easy for bots to automatically update {{P|1087}}
|proposed by		= [[User:Dipsacus fullonum|Dipsacus fullonum]] ([[User talk:Dipsacus fullonum|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
{{P|1087}} changes every month, and it is a lot of work to keep the Wikipedias updated. This proposed FideID property for chess players, will make it easy to match chess players on FIDE's rating lists with their Wikidata items, so bots automatically can keep Wikidata (and indirectly Wikipedias using Wikidata) updated with the chess players' actual rating. [[User:Dipsacus fullonum|Dipsacus fullonum]] ([[User talk:Dipsacus fullonum|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}}, with timestamp. [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC).
:: Thanks, but with what timestamp? The FideID for a chess player will hopefully never change. [[User:Dipsacus fullonum|Dipsacus fullonum]] ([[User talk:Dipsacus fullonum|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Conny}} Are you possibly confusing this with FIDE rating? --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Argh, yes. Thank you :) . [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC).
*{{support}} at least to list the identifier. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Dipsacus fullonum|Conny|Jura1}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 21:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = grave picture | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = Tombe ou pierre tombale <!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1442
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = link to the picture of the grave or tombstone of the deceased person |fr = pour identifier l'image de la tombe ou de la pierre tombale d'une personne
  }}
|infobox parameter	= indiquez ici les attributs d'infobox de Wikipédia correspondants, s'il en existe, par exemple : « population » dans [[:fr:Modèle:Infobox Subdivision administrative]]
|datatype		= image
|domain			= people/person
|allowed values		= images
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= image de Wikipédia ou de commons /picture from wikipedia, or the existing Commons cat.
|example		= exemple d'élément qui utiliserait cette propriété, avec une valeur proposée; par exemple : {{Q|1}} => {{Q|2}}
|filter			= (exemple : 7 chiffres peuvent être validés avec le filtre d'édition [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs	= Devrait-il y avoir ou existe-t-il des bots ou des gadgets qui effectueront des tâches avec cette propriété? Par exemple: vérifier les autres propriétés afin d'être cohérent, collecter des données, automatiser un lien externe, etc.
|proposed by		= [[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Motivation [[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Considering the very important number of images of people's grave, I would suggest to add a type of image (for people), to indicate that the picture is representing the grave or tombstone, not the actual person (or portrait).
* {{s}} -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}}, please move the discussion to [[WD:PP]]. — [[User:Ivan A. Krestinin|Ivan A. Krestinin]] ([[User talk:Ivan A. Krestinin|talk]]) 21:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} As producer of 5000+ pictures of graves, I can only agree [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{comment}} There were already discussions about deleting all "type of image" properties and replace them with {{P|18}} and an adequate qualfier. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:*now, that would be ok to me too… - my proposal was, considering the existing system :)--[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:08, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
::*I don't think that would work, since a grave picture really isn't an image of a person in any way. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 21:29, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:::*well, some grave have a portrait on it, and when there is no other pic for the person, it is better than nothing ;) - and '''much''' better than a ''plaque'' on a house the person lived in… at least, there is only 1 grave - and generally, the person is ''in'' it, but there may be a lot of places where the person has stayed :D --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Hsarrazin|Vlsergey|Ivan A. Krestinin|Pyb|Emw|Pasleim|Jakec}} {{done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Commons Creator Template
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = modèle Creator sur Commons
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1472
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = For many artists, Commons has a "Creator" template, for example [[:Commons:Creator:Augustus Henry Fox]].
  }}
|infobox parameter	= n/a
|datatype		= String
|domain			= Persons, groups of people
|allowed values		= Creator-space page on Commons
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= Creator-space page on Commons
|example		= sample items that would use that property, with proposed values; example: {{Q|16212572}} => [[:Commons:Creator:Augustus Henry Fox]]
|filter			= Creator-space page on Commons
|robot and gadget jobs	= Yes; note that Creator templates (such as the example above) may include a Wikidata ID.
|proposed by		= <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span>
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}}, a majority of creator templates include a wikidata ID, since it was the only way to create a link to wikidata and retrieve wikilinks through a script, at the time it was created. I worked a lot on those creators, to include wikidata and/or other informations, and there are a lot of information there, that should be recovered, before the template can be converted to use wikidata items ;) --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
:strong {{support}}: same with me --[[User:Oursana|Oursana]] ([[User talk:Oursana|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{pour}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 11:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Pigsonthewing|Hsarrazin|Oursana|Ayack}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Pigsonthewing|Hsarrazin|Oursana|Ayack|Jakec}} shouldn't we have a sitelink to these pages from the item about the person? even if it does mean an item with links to articles and to a template  [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Filceolaire}} - yes, that is what this property is for... :) - or do you mean something else ? give an example, please :) - many creators have '''no''' ''article'' page on Commons… --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Filceolaire}} - items should ''not'' have direct sitelinks to Creator pages; they should use this new property instead.  For items that currently ''do'' (wrongly) have sitelinks to Creator pages, see [[:d:Wikidata:WikiProject Structured Data for Commons/Phase 1 progress/Links/Creator]].  Also included on that page are links to SQL queries that can be re-run to get updated lists.  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| de =Rechtsform
| en = legal form
| fr = forme juridique
| pt = Naturueza jurídica
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1454
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = legal form on an organization within the legal framework of its seat country (Inc., LLC, etc.)
  | de = Rechtsform der Organisation im Land des Sitzes (z. B. e. V., KGaA, Personengesellschaft, etc.)
  }}
|infobox parameter	= Hier den Infobox-Parameter einfügen, falls es einen gibt. Beispiel: "Rechtsform" (legal form) in [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Verband]]
|datatype		= Item
|domain			= {{Q|43229}}, {{Q|155076}}
|allowed values		= {{Q|460178}}, {{Q|157031}}, {{Q|3244038}}, {{Q|460178}} and many more
|suggested values	= 
|source			= [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Verband]], etc.
|example		= [[Q169552]] => [[Q897103]]
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bot could extract data from articles with templates [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Verband]], [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Unternehmen]] etc.
|proposed by		= [[User:MB-one|MB-one]] ([[User talk:MB-one|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This property is of interest for any kind of organization. [[User:MB-one|MB-one]] ([[User talk:MB-one|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

*{{s}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}}--[[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|MB-one|Micru|Casper Tinan}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 12:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = people missing
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1446
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = number of people reported missing as a result of this event
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= number
|domain			= {{Q|7944}} and other disasters, wars, etc.
|allowed values		= whole numbers
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= external reference, articles, etc.
|example		= {{Q|11547847}} => 23
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Typical statistic for disasters which is normally reported by sources. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Danrok|Emw|Micru}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = journey origin
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1427
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = the starting place of this journey, flight, voyage, trek, etc. (excl. spaceflight launch)
  }}
|infobox parameter	= "origin" in [[:en:template:infobox aircraft occurrence]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= event
|allowed values		= places
|suggested values	= airport, sea port, town, etc.
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|3997249}} => {{Q|709169}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= bots can collect from infoboxes for some of these
|proposed by		= [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 16:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
* {{s}} Would be useful for {{Q|505802}}. [[User:Zellfaze|Zellfaze]] ([[User talk:Zellfaze|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 23:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} Would be useful for notable airplane flights. -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{ping|Tobias1984|Zellfaze|Joshbaumgartner|Milad A380}} {{done}} [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = journey destination
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1444
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = the intended destination for this journey, flight, sailing, exploration, etc.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= "destination" in [[:en:template:infobox Airliner accident]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|2221906}}
|allowed values		= any geographic location, e.g. airport, city, island, etc.
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= infoboxes
|example		= sample items that would use that property, with proposed values; example: {{Q|741126}} => {{Q|734729}}
|filter			= (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bots can fill in from infoboxes.
|proposed by		= [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Similar property to {{P|1427}} [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Danrok|Tobias1984|Zellfaze}} {{done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = score method
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1443
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = qualifier of "points/goal scored by (P1363)"
  }}
|infobox parameter	=
|datatype		= item
|domain			= sports
|allowed values		= e.g. for <points/goal scored by> use this property to indicate if it was a goal, a try, a conversion, an own goal, a behind etc.
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia list article (either infobox or source)
|example		= <goal scored by> {{Q| Q212738}} => {{Q| Q18533}}
|proposed by		= [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
to record details of sports matches. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 20:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}. Probably it is better to use a less generic name... --[[User:Paperoastro|Paperoastro]] ([[User talk:Paperoastro|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 08:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
:: '''score method'''? And, I wonder if {{P|31}} could be used for this, as a qualifier? {{P|31}} {{Q| Q18533}}. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} per the objections listed in [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/20#specifically]].  Like [[User:Paperoastro|Paperoastro]] and [[User:Danrok|Danrok]], I would prefer a more specific name.  I would support this proposal if it had a label like "score method" and its description were changed to not apply to all human knowledge. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Filceolaire|Paperoastro|Danrok|Emw}} Done as {{P|1443}}.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = assisted by
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = person who assisted. Use as qualifier to <goal scored by> 
  }}
|infobox parameter	= put Wikipedia infobox parameters here, if existing; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= sports matches
|allowed values		= team members.
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia list article (either infobox or source)
|example		= {{Q| Q1065912}} <goal scored by> {{Q| Q212738}} =>{{Q| Q448820}}
|filter			= (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs	= Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)
|proposed by		= [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
to record details of sports matches. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 20:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
* <s>{{support}} --[[User:Paperoastro|Paperoastro]] ([[User talk:Paperoastro|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 08:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)</s>
* {{comment}} Isn't this property get a bit too football-specific (if it's for football only, I think this should be mentioned in the domain)? Though to be honest I'm not sure how detailed Wikidata should/wants to collect such data. Not that someone on one day gets the idea to do a mass-import of basketball games and record all assists for every made basket (this would be a lot :-). --[[User:Bthfan|Bthfan]] ([[User talk:Bthfan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Bthfan}}Assists are also recorded for basket-ball players. Yet, I agree with you : wikidata is not supposed to become a sports database. 
:: {{ping|Filceolaire}} Do you know of any wikipedia infobox, list or table that would use this property ?[[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
::: [[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] [[User:Bthfan|Bthfan]] This isn't just for football. It's for every team sport which records such data. If there is a fan out there collecting these statistics and wants to donate them to someone who will make them freely available and provide the infrastructure for other fans to build on his work then I think that yes Wikidata could become a sports database, one which can be accessed by anyone for any analysis they want to do, without having to get a license to anyone - or it at least has the potential to do so some day. For now I'm just thinking about the world cup. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:14, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{contrario}} We don't need such information. Referee, scorers and minute is enough. -- [[User:Blackcat|Blackcat]] ([[User talk:Blackcat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} Too much specific and too difficult to take note of. -- [[User:Sannita|Sannita]] - <small>''[[User talk:Sannita|not just another it.wiki sysop]]''</small> 09:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I strongly disagree with the oppose reasons. "Too detailed" or "too specific" aren't good reasons to oppose a property proposal. What if we deleted Wikipedia articles for being too obscure? This is basically the same thing. If some items can use a property and they can't use other properties for the same purpose, I see absolutely no reason why a property should not be created. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 20:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
:*[[User:Jakec|Jakob]], [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]], [[User:Paperoastro|Paperoastro]]: There is an alternative, you could propose to extend the use of the property {{P|767}} to be used in events.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
::*I didn't know we had {{p|767}}. I'd support using that instead of a new property. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 17:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
::*As Jakob: I support the use of {{P|767}}. --[[User:Paperoastro|Paperoastro]] ([[User talk:Paperoastro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
::* I actually would have supported this before knowing of {{P|767}}, but now that I do, I agree with Jakob and Paperoastro. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

{{not done}} Per comments use instead {{P|767}}.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = title
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1476
|description		= should replace the current {{p|357}} (type: string), with a more appropriate datetype
|domain = creative works
|allowed values = any
|datatype		= monolingual-text
|proposed by		= [[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Motivation [[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:39, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
<add 2014-09-11>see also [[Wikidata:Properties for deletion]] for replacement of p357, {{p|387}}, {{p|392}}, {{p|438}} </> 
* {{oppose}} we can have single language property per item, so that shall be used as default language for all language-related properties. I don't want bunch of properties like "lang+title", "lang+subtitle", "lang+edition title", etc. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:* [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]]: I am not really sure of what you have in mind. We already have "title", "subtitle" etc. properties. Depending on the type of item there should be either one value (the title in the original language, or several, like one title per language). Currently, we specify the language using qualifiers. But now, we can use the "monolingual-string" datatype. The only difference is that language will now be required (which seems to make sense), and stored in the mainsnak's datavalue rather than in the qualifiers (which is more convenient). --[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::* {{ping|Zolo}} for every FRBR edition item we have {{P|P407}} property that specifies language for all language-dependent properties. I don't like the idea to specify same language value several times in the same entity -- it is big overcomplication and redundancy (for FRBR work we also have {{P|P364}}). Currently the language can be specified once per entity, and language-dependent values with different language (for example, French name for English book, by the way, it would be original research to define that) can be specified using qualifiers in very rare cases. That is enough. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|Vlsergey}}, it is true that for items about a particular edition of a text, the language should be inferrable from the {{p|407}} of the item. However, in many cases (items about a book with translation, about a move, about an artwork). We need more than one title. In many cases, the label could do the job, but that is less precise and less powerful. For example, if the French title of a movie is different in Canada and in France, wich may happen, it is easier to use a statement (that can have qualifiers) rather than the label. Or if an artwork was given a title by an art historian, we should know in which language it is (for formatting reasons and others). It could be done analyzing the item given in the reference, but that may prove rather tricky. As a rule, I think it makes sense that when a string is in a particular language, this is indicated directly in the datavalue. This is really easier to work with than qualifiers. If the language is really easy to infer, adding it will not be much additional work. And if the language is not easy to infer, this is proof that adding it is useful. 
:::: {{ping|Zolo}} each translation shall be separate item i.e. FRBR Edition with it's own {{P|P407}} value, it's own title, editors, publisher, dates, ISBN codes, etc. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{reply to|Vlsergey}} I know, but we also need items for the work, independently of the translation, and actually, this is the majority of our current items ([[:en:War and Peace]] is not about an individual translation, nor is {{Q|161531}} only about the original edition). And for movies, we currently do not use separate items for each subtitled version. For visual artworks, it would just be meaningless (there is just one work, just different titles).--[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:* Another argument against this property is titles in artificial languages. For example, what language shall we put for "Woblanadne Ctulhu Ftagn" title? It's obligatory, i.e. we won't be able just omit language, and not, it is not an English (it's only English transcription). We can't specify artificial language neither, because language list is fixed by server properties. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
: {{s}} It'is locigal the have the French mention after the ''Bonheur d'occasion'' of {{Q|2910080}}. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:We have {{P|1448}} for official name and label for local name. What is the use? can you show an example? --[[User:ValterVB|ValterVB]] ([[User talk:ValterVB|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::{{reply to|ValterVB}} This property should replace {{p|357}}, so it would have the same use as it (book titles, movie titles etc.) I would not necessarily be opposed with merging "title" and "official name" but that it is not we have at the moment. --[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{Support}} the change in datatype [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{Subteno}}. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Zolo|Vlsergey|Fralambert|ValterVB|Filceolaire}} {{ping|Yair rand}} {{done}} since there is sufficient support for creation. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 00:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
==> '''Note''' ''This property replaced string property [[Property:P357]], as discussed at [[Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2015/Properties/1#P357|Requests for deletions/Archive/2015/Properties/1#P357]]''.


=== {{TranslateThis
| en = birth name (monolingual text)
}} ===
<span id="P1477"></span>{{status|done}} → [[Property:P1477]]
* {{comment}} datatype changed from string to monolingual text, from [[Property:P513]] (''[[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/7#Birth_name|creation discussion]]'') to {{P|1477}}, see below.  -- '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 01:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
==> String-type P513 deletion discussion can be found at [[Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2014/Properties/1#P513]].

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = script directionality
| ru = направление написания
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			=1406
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = directionality of writing system
| ru = направление письма
  }}
|infobox parameter	=
|datatype		= item
|domain			= writing systems (alphabets, abugidas, etc.)
|allowed values		= items with {{P|279}}=>{{Q|17321709}}
|suggested values	= 
{{Q|17321844}}, {{Q|7333457}}, {{Q|856986}}, {{Q|835937}}, {{Q|889482}}, {{Q|17321917}}, {{Q|17322076}}, {{Q|221552}}, {{Q|194233}}
|source			=[http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-scripts], [http://www.ontopia.net/i18n/directions.jsp], [http://www.omniglot.com/writing/direction.htm Omniglot]
|example		= {{Q|1377866}}: LTR
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Robots can gather info and fill the property with it.
|proposed by		= [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Some scripts can be written in multiple directions, so different values could be specified. Also, it may be ambiguous whether TTB and "bottom up" goes from [http://www.ontopia.net/i18n/direction.jsp?id=1011 left-to-right] or [http://www.ontopia.net/i18n/direction.jsp?id=1009 right-to-left], which could be specified as separate items. [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]]) 19:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:It's also ambiguous whether LTR and RTL go downwards or upwards in block direction. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Yair rand}} That's true, but I'm not aware of any LTR/RTL that goes upwards. Maybe we need two properties (or a qualifier) for this, unless you can think of a non-confusing way to encode it. The majority of scripts (especially ones still used today) are probably either LTR downwards or RTL downwards. [[User:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr<sup>2</sup></b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#0f3">''t''</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17|<b style="color:#03f">''c''</b>]]) 21:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Yair rand|PiRSquared17}} I have added some of the necessary items (see above), more can be created as needed. If there are no objections I'll create this property in the next days.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}.  Important, interesting characteristic of writing systems. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|PiRSquared17|Yair rand|Micru|Emw|Jura1}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Orbits completed
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
| it = Orbite completate
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1418
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Orbits completed in space missions
|it= Orbite completate in una missione spaziale
  }}
|infobox parameter	= [[:en:Template:Infobox spaceflight]]
|datatype		= [[meta:Wikidata/Data_model#Number|QuantityValue]] (dimensionless)
|domain			= space missions
|allowed values		= integers
|suggested values	=
|source			= 
|example		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	=
|proposed by		= [[User:Adert|Adert]] ([[User talk:Adert|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
It's very important for template spaceflight [[User:Adert|Adert]] ([[User talk:Adert|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 11:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{question}} How will you handle situations where a craft orbits more than one body? --[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 11:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} If necessary, it is possible to use a qualifier to indicate each body that has been orbited. Maybe {{p|522}} or create a new one.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 17:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}} [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Adert|Tobias1984|Micru|Danrok}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = label
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = language independent or context-specific label 
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = all items
|source                 = 
|example                = <{{Q|2105}}> {{p|1343}} <{{Q|17290934}}> with qualifier ''label'' <Ширак, Жак>
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Motivation. Sometimes it is needed to use a label as a qualifier of another property, or there is a label that only was valid during a certain period (to be used with qualifier "start/end date"). I also think that it could be used to model systems since inputs and outputs usually require a way of name the signals.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
* "Ширак, Жак" is a ''title'' of article in {{Q|17290934}} (i.e. title of {{Q|Q17317811}} article) that describes {{Q|2105}}. So {{P|P357}} could be used instead. This property both used as qualificator in {{Q|2105}} for {{p|1343}} and as a property in {{Q|Q17317811}}. I believe {{P|P357}} is the best choice for own property of {{Q|Q17317811}} and using is as qualificator for {{p|1343}} was a natural choice. Well, technically i need this qualifier only until [[bugzilla:47930]] is resolved, since after that i will be able to extract title of article from subitem directly. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = contained in
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = a material entity located inside another one with no parts in common
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = all items
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|337889}}=>{{Q|5103158}} // {{Q|7886}} => {{Q|994554}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Basic property.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

* {{Oppose}}. ''contained_in'' had been a property of the Basic Formal Ontology (BFO), but it's being removed from BFO 2 per the [http://bfo.googlecode.com/svn/releases/2012-07-20-graz/BFO2-Reference.docx. draft specification] in favor of a more generalized {{P|276}} property.  I think that's a move in the right direction; we can use ''located in'' to capture the meaning of ''contained in''.  [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:56, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Emw}} are you sure of that? Looking at "3.6.4 Location" it seems that it has been replaced by ''occupies_spatial_region'' which is similar to "contained in". The problem of "located in", also identified in BFO2, is that it needs some prepositional modifier to indicate the location relation between both entities. Instead of "contained in", we could think of a qualifier of "located in", maybe "spatial relation" with values "on", "inside", "above", etc.? --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = has role
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1452
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = something the subject does because of some special natural, social, or institutional set of circumstances
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = all items
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|209760}}=>{{Q|499159}} // <{{Q|15912780}}> ''{{p|618}}'' <{{Q|382984}}> with qualifier ''has role'' <{{Q|187689}}>
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Needed to express which function a given part has in a system (it might be different depending on the system). Notifying {{ping|Emw}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Comment}}: I would support this property if its semantics were the same as those of [http://precedings.nature.com/documents/1941/version/1/files/npre20081941-1.pdf#3 ''has_role'' from the Basic Formal Ontology] (BFO).  BFO underlies many of the most important ontologies in the Semantic Web, like [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=gene+ontology Gene Ontology].  

: Simply put, roles are things that are optionally manifested in other things.  Roles are realized in things by virtue of some special natural, social, or institutional set of circumstances.  Roles depend on those things for their existence.  For example, roles include any of our various occupations, or the {{Q|499159}} of a {{Q|209760}} from [[User:Micru|Micru]]'s example.  One would say that "E. coli ''has role'' pathogen", for example, because such bacteria do not have that role when outside an animal's gut.  In contrast, one would not say "heart ''has role'' circulation", because hearts are typically found in bodies pumping one.  (However one might say "heart ''has role'' dinner" when being eaten by a lion.)  Another example is something like "[http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3a49637 hydrogen ''has role'' nutrient]", as stated in the BFO ontology ChEBI, the reference ontology for chemicals of biological interest.

: This brings me to how I would change the 'Description' value of this proposed property.  It currently reads "the function an element fulfills in a given system".  "Function", "element" and "system" all have significant meaning and would cause alignment problems with BFO ontologies as proposed.  

: "Function" in BFO is closely related to "role", but not the same.  Functions manifest in something by virtue of its physical structure.  "Function" differs from "role" in that the former always or almost always manifests in something by virtue of its physical structure, while the latter optionally manifests in something.  For example, the means "heart ''has function'' circulation" would be preferred over "heart ''has role'' function", because hearts almost always circulate blood, and do so by virtue of their physical structure.  Same with "hammer ''has function'' impact nails".

: "Element" has strong associations with the [[:en:set theory|set theory]] operator ''[[:en:Element (mathematics)|element of]]'' (ϵ).  The distinction between an "element" and a "set" is what differentiates the basic membership properties {{P|31}} and {{P|279}} -- these are often analogized to "element of" and "subset of".  I would not want the proposed wording to imply that ''has role'' is only applicable for instances and not for classes.  BFO permits usage of ''has role'' on both instances and classes and the proposed property should do the same.  

: Finally, "system" is a vague term and seems likely to produce undue confusion.  Certainly {{Q|45661}} has a specific kind of role, the occupation {{Q|3501317}}, and {{Q|25419}} has role {{Q|170065}}, but to say that either subject is "in a given system" is rather obtuse.  Things that have a role can be part of a system, but that should not be necessary and so shouldn't be in the description.  I think we can safely drop the word "system" from the description.

: I would word the description as "something the subject does because of some special natural, social, or institutional set of circumstances", per BFO.

: Micru, thanks for proposing this property.  I think it's likely to become a significant positive outcome of the [[Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Refining_"part_of"]] RFC. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

::Description changed as per [[User:Emw|Emw]]'s comment.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

:That sounds useful. But as the role/function distinction suggests, that may be tricky to work out. Something about which I was wondering: it would be interesting to have a property that would say the areas of intervention of a particular administrative unit (eduction, security, etc.) Would that be possible to say that with this property or would it pave the way to irredeemable messiness ? {{Ping|Innocent bystander}} --[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Zolo}} "Has role" is for entities that change their function depending on the context. I do not think that an organization adopts different roles, it is created with a fixed set of "functions" in mind and it always fulfills those, for that reason I would recommend using {{P|366}} or proposing a new "organization function" property if p366 seems too bound to artificial objects.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
*Perhaps this should have a different label, so that users don't accidentally select it when they mean to add {{P|453}}. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Yair rand}} I have been thinking about this, and I reached the conclusion that the confusion would be normal because... they are the same property. Well, {{P|453}} is constrained to "interpretative roles", but there is the question if we can generalize {{P|453}} for all uses, or if we can exclude "interpretative roles" from this generic one. Would a "Constraint:Item|NOT property={{P|161}}" work?.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
:*:I'm afraid I don't see the similarities or associations between the two properties at all. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} I think this property would be very useful in book cataloging, for qualifying the very various roles of the authors : editor, translator, preface, etc., 
::and yes [[User:Micru|Micru]], organizations can have different roles in the same action, depending on many things, time, money, politics, etc. : an organisation can also be authoring a book... as author, as editor, as publisher... and it may also (for administrations), lead a politic, finance it, coordinate, etc. --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

{{done}} as {{P|1452}}. Similar to {{P|453}}, but p453 is constrained to people, while this new property can be used for everything. Notification: {{ping|Hsarrazin|Yair rand|Innocent bystander|Zolo|Emw}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Hsarrazin|Yair rand|Innocent bystander|Zolo|Emw}} Ups, I have just noticed that "has role" is redundant with {{p|P794}}. I will ask for a merge.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
::{{:D}} - I had not seen it either… just added an alias to make it more explicit… --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = number of parts
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = the number of parts that this object has in total or of a specific type (when qualifying "has part")
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = number
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = all items
|source                 = 
|example                = <{{Q|1453740}}> ''has part'' <{{Q|1321971}}> with qualifier ''number of parts'' <12>
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Different meaning than {{P|1114}}.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{comment}}: {{Q|233040}} currently uses {{P|527}} with {{Q|446}}: {{P|1114}} = 2 --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}}.  I support the spirit of this property -- capturing [http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#CardinalityRestriction cardinality constraints] -- but I think we should use a generic cardinality property and merge {{P|1114}} and this proposed property into it.  (As a practical matter I would redefine P1114 to have the semantics of that generic property.)  That's much closer to how OWL and existing major ontologies handle cardinality constraints.  "Cardinality" might be too stuffy as a label for such a property -- perhaps we could get by with 'number' or 'has number', and supply a description that indicates it doesn't take phone numbers? [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:02, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Jura1|Emw}} I have proposed a generalization of this property here: [[Property_talk:P1114#Generalizing_this_property]].--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = has agent
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = entity that performs this action
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = all items
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|942353}}=>{{Q|170451}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = 
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
With aliases: "performed by", "done by", "executed by".--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = transliteration type
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = used as qualifier of any transliterated name or label to indicate the system used
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = meta / all
|allowed values         = See: [[w:Transliteration]] and [[w:List of ISO romanizations]]
|source                 = 
|example                = <{{Q|15029}}> ''transliteration'' <Hú Jǐntāo> with qualifier ''transliteration type'' <{{Q|42222}}>
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Motivation: [[Wikidata:Project_chat#How_to_handle_native_language_names.3F]]--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
:so what was Hu Jintao's birthname? How many birth names did he have (with different transliterations) and are these really all birth names?
:I agree something needs to be done but we need a solution that works for people with multiple names. I need to think about this. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:28, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Filceolaire}} Yes, actually you are right, we'd need a generic ''transliteration'' (monolingual string) with this property as qualifier (description changed accordingly). It would be easier to have the name as an independent item, because then we'd be able to put all transliterations for that name together, but that again seems to be in the domain of linguistic data... --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:Consider {{Q|855}}.
*birth name:იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი (in Georgian)
**Transliteration:Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (English)
**Transliteration:Iósif Vissariónovich Dzhugashvili (spanish)
*Known as:Ио́сиф Виссарио́нович Ста́лин 
**Transliteration:Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin (English)
*Known as:Ио́сиф Ста́лин (Russian)
**Transliteration:Joseph Stalin (English)
**Transliteration:José Stalin (Spanish)
**Transliteration:Josef Stalin (Spanish)
:Qualifiers can't have qualifiers so I'm not sure where to put the 'transliteration type' property.
:it does look like we need a 'known as' property and a 'transliteration' (or maybe 'localisation') property. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Filceolaire}} I don't think that we can do that with qualifiers, because also transliterations may have sources. I have tried to replicate with items your structure here: [https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q558 https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q558].--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Still thinking about this. So basically we have 2 solutions: 
:::* Each time we want to describe a name, we create a separate item. Which means that if we want to get the Arabic transliteration of Richard Wagner we do it through {{Q|1249148}} and {{Q|2539239}}. There are 2 issues first that it may seem unwieldy and requires creating items even for nicknames and given names that were given to only one person. More importantly, it may not always give a correct result. One case in point is transforming transmogrigying a name into Chinese (not sure it would be called transliteration, but it is needed notheless). For instance, Richard appears to be rendered the differently in Chinese in Richard Wagner and in Richard the Lionheart. 
:::* Using qualifiers. That seems to require create new properties, like, I guess a string-type "first name" property in addition to the current item-type one. It would also create massive redundancy (repeating the 10s of transliteration of the same first name in 1000s of items). And as Micru notes that may also have issues for sourcing (which actually is an issues I have encountered several times with statements containing qualifiers, so there may be something more general at stake here).
:::We could also make a mix of the two, but that may not be very intuitive.
:::We could also decide that we can let the software do the job for simple cases (providing standard transliterations of Greek or Russian words for English-speaking users iappears to be pretty mechanical and straightforward). But it would not work for all cases, so that would not really solve anything. -[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)n
::::{{ping|Zolo}} you forgot to mention the third option, which is to treat the whole name as an item, and then transcribe/adapt it as a whole, linking to linguistic data when/if available with qualifiers (see linked items).
::::I think we should not enforce any solution, just offer a path for the names of an item to grow organically depending on the number of editors interested in the item: first only labels (as now), then use monolingual properties for transliterations all in the same item, and when the item grows too big, then split it into subitems (see [https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q558 my example]).--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::When we get a 'monolingualtext' datatype I look forward to getting the 'official name' property and will be proposing a number of other name properties. Also proposing that the datatype for the 'birth name'  be changed from 'string'.
:::::When we get a multilingual text' datatype I will be proposing a 'localised version' property with multilingual text datatype, to use as a qualifier for the name properties. For some languages there may well be more than one commonly used localisation for famous names (e.g. for languages using more than one script). For many small languages the wikidata transliteration will effectively become the default name for that person/country/company since no one else has ever bothered to write about that item in that language before.
:::::Note that there is still no place to put a 'transliteration type' property but we do get a 'language' qualifier for free for each 'localised version'. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Food plant
| de = Nahrungspflanze 
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = The type of plant eaten by a species of animal  }}
|infobox parameter	= ?
|datatype		= item
|domain			= Taxons
|allowed values		= Plant species, genus or families
|suggested values	= (deprecated)
|source			= Wikipedia list articles, external databases, etc.
|example		= {{Q|1985138}} => {{Q|158503}}
|filter			= Plants
|robot and gadget jobs	= Possibly
|proposed by		= <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span>
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Many species, particularly invertebrates, feed exclusively on one species genus or family of plants. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Why not use {{p|1034}} to express that? [[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, that should do (I looked, but couldn't find anything). Please consider this proposal '''withdrawn'''. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = parents of hybrids
| de = Hybrideltern
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1531
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = parents of hybrids (animal, plant, at whatever rank)
  }}
|infobox parameter	= {{para|hybrid}} in [[:en:Template:Infobox cultivar]]
|datatype		= item
|domain                 = living things (organisms)
|allowed values		= names of organisms
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|731443}} => {{Q|794061}} × {{Q|942031}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Possible, from infoboxes, list articles or external databases 
|proposed by		= <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span>
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Widely used in horticulture. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

: The scope should not resticted to plants and species. Thus rename the property to ''hybrid parents'' (de: Hybrideltern). To model cases like {{Q|41692}} = ''Equus asinus'' × ''Equus caballus'' and {{Q|217584}} = ''Equus caballus'' × ''Equus asinus'' we will need an additional qualifer to denote {{Q|290}} with the allowed values {{Q|44148}} and {{Q|43445}}. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Taxonomy}} --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:Succu has a point. - [[User:Brya|Brya]] ([[User talk:Brya|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
::{{support}} with the amendment of Succu. [[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
::{{support}} as Tobias1984. - [[User:Brya|Brya]] ([[User talk:Brya|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:58, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
:: Now of course {{s}} --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Pigsonthewing|Succu|Brya|Tobias1984}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 17:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Demonym (item)
| fr= gentilé (item)
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = property for item that has the [[:en:demonym|demonym]] as label. The main item linked should use the .. form as English language.
  | fr= la propriété a comme gentilé
  }}
|infobox parameter      = <br/>"population_demonym" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]]<br/>"gentilé" in [[:fr:Modèle:Infobox_Subdivision_administrative]]
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = places
|allowed values         = items with demonyms (see sample)
|source                 = Wikipedia infoboxes
|example                = <br/>[[Q241|Cuba]]: "Cuban" as currently as English label on item {{Q|16910682}}, see [[Wikt:Cuban#English]]<br/>[[Q241|Cuba]]: "cubain" as currently as French label on item {{Q|16910682}}, see [[Wikt:cubain#French]]<br/> [[Q36312|Calgary]]: "Calgarian" as currently as English label on item {{Q|16910680}}, see [[Wikt:Calgarian#English]]
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = 
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Make it easier to find and use them. For each language, the form used as label for items should be defined (e.g. singular masculine adjective). Additional items with qualifiers could be used to store alternate forms. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 11:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:Edited the above proposal. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
: {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:03, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
: {{comment}} someone nuked the sample items, but I guess the proposal can be understood without them. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 07:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
: {{oppose}} Since "demonym items" seem not to fulfill the notability criteria, I don't think it is a good idea to create this property. Better to wait till there is Wiktionary support, and treat them as linguistic data.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
::The items would fulfill the notability criteria because they are linked to this property. 
::I don't see how Wiktionary support would be of any help, as it's structured by string sequence rather than meaning. {{ping|Micru}} Maybe you could explain how this would work. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:::With lexical data support we would link to the item containing all declinations and lexical forms. I strongly discourage this property. Instead I recommend of the following:
:::*{{p|1269}} for existing items like {{Q|4742863}}, understanding that these items are not meant to represent the word, but the concept of being of a certain place and how that concept came into existence.
:::*a mono/multilingual string property for demonyms with appropriate qualifiers
:::--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Wiktionary doesn't seem to be on the planning horizon, so we need to find another solution. 
::::Obviously, we do need to be rigorous with the labels, otherwise automated use of the words isn't possible. Current infoboxes in Wikipedia just use one form, so it shouldn't be much of an issue to define a primary form for this either. 
::::Some sort of a string property could work. If the above solution seems to complicated, we could just start with the existing string format and add qualifiers to define the language used. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 05:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::[[User talk:Jura1|Jura]], that seems more reasonable and the monolingual datatype is almost ready (no need to qualify with language). If there are articles about the demonym, they can be linked with the qualifier {{p|805}}. With the datatype change I would support the proposal.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

:This property was already created and was later deleted: [http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2013/Properties/1#Property:P49]. [[Special:Contributions/130.88.141.34|130.88.141.34]] 08:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
::It seem to have been defined in a different way, attempting to use existing items for Wikipedia articles. The infoboxes mentioned above generally don't use these. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 05:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:{{Forte kontraux}}. This is exclusively lexical data, and thus not (atm) at all within Wikidata's domain. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Yair rand}} Wouldn't {{tl|Wait}} be a better template to use then? --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 21:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Since the suggested datatype is "{{datatype|Item}}", I'm not sure it would make sense to consider an eventual property targeting lexical data to be the same as the one proposed here. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
::::Ahh...okay. I {{s}} the general idea, but we need monolingual text, not an item. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 13:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
*Withdrawn, replaced by the proposal below. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| ru = категория для родившихся здесь
| en = category for people born here
| fr = catégorie regroupant les personnes nées dans ce lieu
<!-- |xx = имена свойства на других языках -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1464
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = link to category entity contains people born in this human settlement
  | ru = ссылка на элемент категории, содержащей людей, родившихся в текущей административной единице
  }}
|infobox parameter	= born place (categorization)
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|Q486972}} (human settlement)
|allowed values		= {{Q|Q4167836}}
|source			= wikipedia categorization
|example		= {{Q|Q649}} → {{Q|Q16363460}}
|filter			= —
|robot and gadget jobs	= —
|proposed by		= [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
need for people autocategorization in ruwiki (and other wikis) [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:39, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
* support, this would simplify auto-categorization. --[[User:Akim Dubrow|Akim Dubrow]] ([[User talk:Akim Dubrow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}}. Hard to derive by other means. --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}}. Useful for auto-categorization [[User:Glovacki|Glovacki]] ([[User talk:Glovacki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}. It is very useful. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 22:12, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}, at least until I can think of a better solution. ----- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Vlsergey|Akim Dubrow|Infovarius|Glovacki|Gamliel Fishkin}} {{ping|Jura1}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 19:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| ru = категория для умерших здесь
| en = category for people died here
| fr = catégorie regroupant les personnes mortes dans ce lieu
<!-- |xx = имена свойства на других языках -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1465
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = link to category entity contains people died in this human settlement
  | ru = ссылка на элемент категории, содержащей людей, умерших в текущей административной единице
  }}
|infobox parameter	= death place (categorization)
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|Q486972}} (human settlement)
|allowed values		= {{Q|Q4167836}}
|source			= wikipedia categorization
|example		= {{Q|Q649}} → {{Q|Q6378606}}
|filter			= —
|robot and gadget jobs	= —
|proposed by		= [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
need for people autocategorization in ruwiki (and other wikis) [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
* support, as above --[[User:Akim Dubrow|Akim Dubrow]] ([[User talk:Akim Dubrow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}}. Hard to derive by other means. --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:55, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}}. Useful for auto-categorization [[User:Glovacki|Glovacki]] ([[User talk:Glovacki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}. It is very useful for categorization. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 22:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
* Isn't this redundant? It seems like a too-complicated inverse property for {{P|20}} combined with a property indicating the topic of a category. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
** {{ping|Yair rand}} category with main topic {{Q|Q649}} is {{Q|Q7144547}}, not {{Q|Q6378606}}. -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}}, at least until I can think of a better solution. ----- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Vlsergey|Akim Dubrow|Infovarius|Glovacki|Gamliel Fishkin}} {{ping|Yair rand|Jura1}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 19:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== phone number / toll free phone number / fax (en) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1244
|description            = [[voy:Template:Listing]]
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = iri
|domain                 = 
|allowed values         = 
|suggested values       = 
|source                 = 
|example                = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 10:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
}}
;Discussion
:I don't understand your proposal. Why do you want to use the "mulitlingual text" datatype? For telephone numbers the IRI-Datatype should be used as far I know. Otherwise I would use the string datatype, because there is nothing multilingual in phone numbers. --[[User:Pyfisch|Pyfisch]] ([[User talk:Pyfisch|talk]]) 13:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
::My mistake.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 02:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
* {{S}} [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|talk]]) 23:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:{{comment}} phone numbers having nothing to do with IRIs. --[[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 00:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
* {{S}} [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20261064/how-to-convert-a-phone-number-to-the-iri-format IRI can be used to express a phone number]. In the far future, a "phone number" datatype would be great, since Wikivoyage often gets invalid phone numbers: many people insert a homepage URL instead, even though we have a separate field for the homepage URL (and these URLs are valid IRIs, so just IRI would not catch the mistake). [[User:Nicolas1981|Nicolas1981]] ([[User talk:Nicolas1981|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 08:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
* {{s}}--[[User:콩가루|{{LangSwitch|lang = {{#if:|{{{lang}}}|{{int:Lang}}}}|en = Konggaru|ko = 콩가루 }}]] ([[user talk:콩가루|talk]]) 16:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
: {{support}} -- <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:DerFussi|Der]][[User talk:DerFussi|Fussi]]</span> 11:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} --[[User:NatiSythen|NatiSythen]] ([[User talk:NatiSythen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 07:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} Maybe it makes sense to distinguish between land-line and mobile phone and fax numbers, too. In any case we need a rule how to handle multiple numbers. And how to write it to the database, so that the numbers can be "translated" in individual language branches. A "phone number" datatype would be useful. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|GZWDer|Pyfisch|Filceolaire|Danrok|Nicolas1981|DerFussi|콩가루|DerFussi}} {{ping|NatiSythen|RolandUnger}} {{done}}, but I cannot seem to add the property to an item. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 13:44, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
*: Me neither, it seems the tel: URL scheme is not supported. Maybe it's better to change the datatype to string. [[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]] ([[User talk:Mushroom|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 10:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
*:: It should not be to difficult to add tel: sheme, maybe someone can just ask the developers to add it. Best case they only need to change a single line of code. --[[User:Pyfisch|Pyfisch]] ([[User talk:Pyfisch|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 07:09, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

*{{comment}}: In the meantime, shouldn't this be created as a string property? [[Property:P1244]] was created over a month ago, but can't be used. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

:: {{comment}} Later a plain string property got created: <span id="P1329"></span>{{status|done}} → [[Property:P1329]]

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Wikivoyage IsPartOf
| de = Wikivoyage IstIn
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = to port data from [[Q14205332]].
  | de = Daten werden für Vorlage [[Q14205332]] benötigt.
  }}
|datatype		= item
|example		= {{Q|145}}=>{{Q|38272}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= can be imported from Wikivoyage and {{P|131}}.
|proposed by		= [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Motivation. [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 12:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 12:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} The example is faulty; several dominions that are part of the United Kingdom are not part of the British Isles. This information is also not specific to Wikivoyage. Thanks, [[User:GerardM|GerardM]] ([[User talk:GerardM|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 12:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

::So this will only be used in Wikivoyage.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 12:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
: {{support}} -- <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:DerFussi|Der]][[User talk:DerFussi|Fussi]]</span> 11:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC) - But the information has to be specific to each language version. -- <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:DerFussi|Der]][[User talk:DerFussi|Fussi]]</span> 05:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} --[[User:NatiSythen|NatiSythen]] ([[User talk:NatiSythen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 07:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

*{{oppose}} You can not do that: the Control of Contents in WV-de belongs to WV-de and must be discussed there, not here in English. I am Bbb of WV-de and have no guilty account here.--[[Special:Contributions/80.81.13.134|80.81.13.134]] 12:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
*::The usage of that information is still the decision of the WV-de community. We can, but dont have to us it on de. -- <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:DerFussi|Der]][[User talk:DerFussi|Fussi]]</span> 05:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

* {{support}} IsIn and IsPartOf are identical in a technical sense. Maybe the naming IsIn is better because this feature can be used not only in the main namespace. This information has to be specific to each language branch. Maybe it is useful to distinguish between one primary and obligatory IsIn and a random number of secondary IsIns. For instance Garmisch-Partenkirchen is primarily in Bavaria and secondarily in the Alps. The Alps are in Europe, and it is not possible to put it in a single bread-crumb trail with Bavaria or Germany. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

*{{O}} We should use the existing properties in wikidata. Wikivoyage should not be encoding editorial decisions on particular language versions in wikidata properties. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 06:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
*{{o}} redundant to {{P|131}} or {{P|361}}. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 12:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
*{{not done}} - no consensus. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 14:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

=== wikinews portal (en) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = the name of the relevant news portal on wikinews for this item
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = multilingual text
|domain                 = all
|allowed values         = 
|suggested values       =
|source                 = templates in wikipedia articles
|example                = {{Q|336}} => [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category:Science_and_technology Science and technology] (English)
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = bots can find this in templates within articles on wikipedia
|proposed by            = [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|talk]]) 21:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
}}
;Discussion
Motivation. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|talk]]) 21:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
*{{comment}} Your example uses a Wikinews category page as the value.  I assume that Wikidata will have a 'Wikinews category page', like {{P|P373}}, soon.  You are proposing a Wikinews portal property; should it contain only portals like https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Portal:Australia , or does it need to also contain categories like https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category:Australia? [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
*{{so}} Completely redundant to {{P|910}}.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 10:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
*{{not done}} No votes in support despite this being open for over half a year. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 15:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

=== Work period (from) (en) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = [[Commons:Template:Creator]]
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = time
|domain                 = 
|allowed values         = 
|suggested values       = 
|source                 = 
|example                = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 10:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
}}
;Discussion
* <strike>{{S}} [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|talk]]) 23:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</strike>
* {{O}} use 'occupation' with start date/end date. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 06:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
*{{not done}} No consensus; discussion has been open for almost a year. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 15:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

=== Work period (until) (en) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = [[Commons:Template:Creator]]
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = time
|domain                 = 
|allowed values         = 
|suggested values       = 
|source                 = 
|example                = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 10:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
}}
;Discussion
* <strike>{{S}} [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|talk]]) 23:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</strike>
* {{O}} per JohnV below. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 06:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
* {{comment}} perhaps this can already be covered, e.g. occupation = musician with start/end date qualifiers? [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|talk]]) 21:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
** I think using the existing {{P|P106}} is the right approach, unless some examples can be provided for why that woulnt work. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
*{{ping|Filceolaire|GZWDer|John Vandenberg|Danrok}} {{not done}} No consensus; discussion has been open for almost a year. --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 15:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = GUI toolkit / GUI framework
| de = GUI-Bibliothek
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1414
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = framework or toolkit a program uses to display windows
  | de = Bibliothek, die für die Darstellung eines Programmfensters verwendet wird
  }}
|infobox parameter      = -
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = software
|allowed values         = items should be instance/subclass of GUI framework
|source                 = official websites of programs
|example                = {{Q|Q8038}} => {{Q|Q189464}}
|filter                 = single value
|robot and gadget jobs  =
|proposed by            = -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
*Relevant information for software. -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
*Better known examples {{Q|698}} => {{Q|Q189464}}, {{Q|10135}} => {{Q|Q189464}}, {{Q|40984}} => {{Q|201904}}, {{Q|171477}} => {{Q|201904}}. -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:44, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Emw|Jakec|Zuphilip|Danrok|Bene*|콩가루|TomT0m}} Pinging WikiProject Informatics and others. -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
*::How many programs use notable GUI toolkits? --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 21:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|Jakec}} - Most of the toolkits already have items ([[:en:List of widget toolkits]]). And I think connecting the programs with the toolkits is notable too. It is a frequent discussion in programmer circles which toolkit is used for which program. And none of the toolkits is 100 % plattform independent. Platforms are going for a native look and usage paradigm which some toolkits do better than others. Some examples:
::::*http://stackoverflow.com/questions/874609/which-gui-library-does-google-chrome-use
::::*http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6352347/which-gui-library-is-used-to-develop-mozilla-firefox
::::*http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5941377/does-microsoft-office-2010-make-use-of-wpf-or-is-it-plain-old-mfc
:::*-[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. I changed "gui" to "GUI" to reflect that it's an acronym, and thus typically capitalized in English. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}} --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{done}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = mass
| de = masse, gewicht
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = description how heavy an vehicle is
  }}
|infobox parameter      = put Wikipedia infobox parameters here, if existing; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]]
|datatype               = number
|domain                 = {{Q|11436}} (aircraft), {{Q|796496}}(MotorcycleModel), {{Q|34493}}(Motorcycle), {{Q|1420}} (automobile)
|allowed values         = pounds or kg
|source                 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_fictional_vehicle
|example                = the motorcycle has a mass of 200kg
|filter                 = (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs  = Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)
|proposed by            = [[Special:Contributions/194.121.90.163|194.121.90.163]]
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Every vehicle has a mass therefore we should have a matching property. Also the themplate has a mass property http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_fictional_vehicle [[Special:Contributions/194.121.90.163|194.121.90.163]] 13:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
* Mass is a generic property, not specific to transport. Shouldn't this be discussed more widely? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
** is there a category for physical units like mass, torque etc? --[[Special:Contributions/194.121.90.163|194.121.90.163]] 12:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
*** Try [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Unsorted]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:12, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
see also http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Transportation#mass --[[Special:Contributions/194.121.90.163|194.121.90.163]] 10:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
*{{not done}}, see [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/2#Mass 2]].--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Employees
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1328
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Amount people working for an entity
  }}
|infobox parameter	=
|datatype		= number
|domain			= Entites
|allowed values		= Positive whole number
|suggested values	=
|source			= 
|example		= 23,056 employees
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Global Economic Map Bot can do this
|proposed by		= [[User:Mcnabber091|Mcnabber091]] ([[User talk:Mcnabber091|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
}}
:{{support}}[[User:Mcnabber091|Mcnabber091]] ([[User talk:Mcnabber091|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 10:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} [[User:Ladsgroup|Amir]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 21:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Mcnabber091|Jura1|Ladsgroup}} {{done}} --[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) 21:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
: {{comment}} This was a duplicate of {{p|P1128}}. It seems people are not aware of properties. Why? &mdash; [[User:Fnielsen|Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen)]] ([[User talk:Fnielsen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 09:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC). Edited: added a 'not' &mdash; [[User:Fnielsen|Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen)]] ([[User talk:Fnielsen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{oppose}}. Duplicate property.-[[User:CCD|CCD]] ([[User talk:CCD|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

==== Maximum glide ratio / beste Gleitzahl / Finesse ====
{{Property proposal
|status=1470
|description=A measure of the glide path in calm air. 
<math>{{\Delta s} \over {\Delta h}}={v_{\text{forward}} \over v_{\text{down}}}</math>|infobox parameter=
|datatype= Number - unitless.
|domain=
|allowed values=
|suggested values=Qualifier: Speed at which the glide ratio is reached with normal load.
|source=
|example= Boeing 767-200 with fuel exhaustion = ~12
|filter=
|robot and gadget jobs=
|proposed by=
}}
:{{support}} - all flyable things need this in my opinion. --[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|talk]]) 14:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
:{{support}} - except baloons. Could go ahead now, as it's unitless. [[Special:Contributions/194.239.195.65|194.239.195.65]] 20:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Tobias1984|194.239.195.65}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = reporting mark
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1471
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = A reporting mark is an alphabetic code of one to five letters used to identify owners or lessees of rolling stock and other equipment used on certain railroad networks.
  }}
|infobox parameter      = "marks" in [[:en:template:infobox SG rail]]
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = railroads, railways
|allowed values         = 
|suggested values       =
|source                 = infobox
|example                = {{Q|1472738}} => NH
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 01:08, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
:How about using {{P|296}} instead? Is there difference between them? --[[User:콩가루|{{LangSwitch|lang = {{#if:|{{{lang}}}|{{int:Lang}}}}|en = Konggaru|ko = 콩가루 }}]] ([[user talk:콩가루|talk]]) 04:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{comment}} they are different. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 20:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --[[User:콩가루|{{LangSwitch|lang = {{#if:|{{{lang}}}|{{int:Lang}}}}|en = Konggaru|ko = 콩가루 }}]] ([[user talk:콩가루|talk]]) 09:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:06, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Danrok|콩가루|Pigsonthewing}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 20:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = cause of
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1542
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = effect of this cause.  When causally immediate effects exist, use 'immediate cause of' instead, and use this property for causally distant effects.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 'result' in [[:en:Template:Infobox_military_conflict|Template:Infobox_military_conflict]], possibly others.  Notify participants in property proposal discussion before any automatic import.
|datatype		= item
|domain			= None.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|allowed values		= Any.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|source			= External references
|example		= {{Q|8676}} ''cause of'' {{Q|175613}}, {{Q|623429}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by		= [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
This would be an inverse property of {{P|828}}.  To make that apparent, the label would follow the 'has X' and 'X of' pattern used in properties like {{P|527}} and {{P|361}}.  It would have the aliases 'has effect', 'has result', 'outcome of', and others.

Like other inverse properties, this property, 'immediate cause of' and 'contributing factor of' would require editors to [[Wikidata:Use_common_sense|use common sense]].  For example, this means not putting 15 million 'cause of' claims in {{Q|323}} or {{Q|413}}.  When not used in clearly inappropriate ways this generic property to capture causally downstream information would be quite useful. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
* <s>{{Comment|Withdrawing proposal}}</s>.  Sorry, it just occurred to me that for consistency in how [[P:P828|P828]] was relabeled from 'medical causes' to 'has cause' to facilitate a broader approach to modeling causes, so [[P:P780|P780]] would make sense to relabel from 'symptoms' to 'cause of'.  That would make this property proposal redundant.  Please see [[Property_talk:P780#symptoms_-.3E_cause_of]]. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:14, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{Comment|Update}}.  One of the editors in the linked discussion prefers keeping the property labeled 'symptoms'.  See [[Property_talk:P780#Emw_2014-09-23-1219]] for an overview.  Please comment there. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Orphanet ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1550
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID in the Orpha.net database
  }}
|infobox parameter      = ?
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = pharmaceutical drugs and diseases
|allowed values         = any valid ID
|source                 = http://www.orpha.net
|example                = {{Q|7205993}} = "723" (ORPHA723)
|filter                 = Unique ID/Single ID
|robot and gadget jobs  = If possible.
|proposed by            = -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
*Motivation: [[Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Adding_disease_properties]] -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{Ping project|Medicine}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}.  Useful.  I've updated the proposed name from "Orpha.net ID" to "Orphanet ID" since, while the URL domain name is orpha.net, the name of the organization is Orphanet (note capitalization) and it's referred to as such in the literature and other databases. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Andrew Su|Andrew Su]] ([[User talk:Andrew Su|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
* '''Support''', because I support tying medical content in Wikidata with more established databases. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 15:16, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

*{{done}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = UBERON ID
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1554
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID from UBERON ontology
  }}
|infobox parameter      = ?
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = {{Q|514}}, {{Q|170494}}
|allowed values         = all valid IDs
|source                 = http://uberon.github.io/
|example                = {{Q|23640}} = '0000033' (UBERON:0000033)
|filter                 = Unique ID (UBERON:7 digits)
|robot and gadget jobs  = there will be
|proposed by            = [[User:Emitraka|Emitraka]] ([[User talk:Emitraka|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Adding_disease_properties [[User:Emitraka|Emitraka]] ([[User talk:Emitraka|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:09, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{Ping project|Medicine}} [[User:Emitraka|Emitraka]] ([[User talk:Emitraka|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:09, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{support}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{support}} -[[User:Andrew Su|Andrew Su]] ([[User talk:Andrew Su|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{support}} -[[User:Genewiki123|Genewiki123]] ([[User talk:Genewiki123|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

*{{done}} Created it sooner, because it has enough support from the WikiProject. -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

=== MacTutor id===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1563
|description		= id of a person in MacTutor History of Mathematics archive
|datatype		= string
|allowed values =-
|domain = Q5 ?
|proposed by		= [[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Widely used, see {{Q|10623208}} [[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}, reliable sources for biographies of mathematicians, full list here: [http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/], [[User:Bezik|Bezik]] ([[User talk:Bezik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}, useful for references. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} Per Danneks.  --[[User:Eurodyne|Eurodyne]] ([[User talk:Eurodyne|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:45, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bezik|Danneks|Eurodyne}} done: {{p|1563}}--[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = At the Circulating Library - Author (or AtCL Author)
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1564
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Author information on ''At the Circulating Library'' database of victorian fiction, 1837-1901.
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = Persons
|allowed values         = numbers
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|18190913}} => 343 (http://www.victorianresearch.org/atcl/show_author.php?aid=343)
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Found while researching for birthday/date of death data for en.Wikisource. Contains lots of minor writers without information on  similar sites. <s>The example above, ''for example'', was not found on VIAF.</s> [[User:555|Lugusto]] ([[User talk:555|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{support}} --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}} --[[User:Eurodyne|Eurodyne]] ([[User talk:Eurodyne|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|555|Kolja21|Eurodine}} done: {{p|1564}}--[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = end reason
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1534
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = qualifier used to supplement "end date"
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= all
|allowed values		= all
|suggested values	= 
|source			= Wikipedia infobox or article text
|example		= {{C|188459|P26|Q2742575}} with qualifier ''end reason'' {{Q|93190}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>'''
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
The main inspiration for this qualifier proposal is including an explanation of why a marriage ended (e.g., {{Q|93190}}, {{Q|701040}}), something often kept track of in infoboxes but not included in Wikidata so far. We can definitely broaden it to include any more information about why something started or ended though, such as if someone transferred schools, dropped-out, etc. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 02:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:If this is to be used for many properties, I don't think that "reason" is the right word here. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:31, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
::What do you suggest? I couldn't come up with a better name either, but "end reason" is the best one [[Wikidata talk:Property proposal/Person#Include marriage information with a new qualifier|we came up with]]. If we agree it's a good idea, though, the good thing about Wikidata being a wiki is that we can always change the name or add new aliases. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 01:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Comment}}: [[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]], great idea.  I would support this property if it had the label 'end cause'.  Using 'end cause' instead of 'end reason' would make the semantic connection to our other 'cause' properties ({{P|828}}, {{P|509}}, etc.) more apparent. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Eurodyne|Eurodyne]] ([[User talk:Eurodyne|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Cbrown1023|Yair rand|Micru|Emw|Eurodyne}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = has quality
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1552
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en =  the entity has an inherent or distinguishing characteristic that cannot be migrated
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = all
|allowed values         = all
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|2106128}} => {{Q|1395509}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
*Necessary to describe generic qualities of concepts. [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} --[[User:Eurodyne|Eurodyne]] ([[User talk:Eurodyne|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Micru|Emw|Eurodyne}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 01:20, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = used by
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1535
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en =  the person or organization that uses an object or a facility
  }}
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = all
|allowed values         = all
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|Q15121187}} => {{Q|Q575684}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
*Generic property for linking the entity being used and agent using it (the above "has agent" links an action with the agent performing it).--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:: {{Support}}. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:: {{s}} --[[User:Eurodyne|Eurodyne]] ([[User talk:Eurodyne|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:27, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Micru|Emw|Eurodyne}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 11:51, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = immediate cause of
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1536
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = effect of this cause.  When causally immediate effects exist, use 'immediate cause of' instead, and use this property for causally distant effects.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 'result' in [[:en:Template:Infobox_military_conflict|Template:Infobox_military_conflict]], possibly others.  Notify participants in property proposal discussion before any automatic import.
|datatype		= item
|domain			= None.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|allowed values		= Any.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|source			= External references
|example		= {{Q|8676}} ''immediate cause of'' {{Q|1025404}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by		= [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}

Inverse of 'has immediate cause'.  See notes in property proposals for 'has immediate cause' and 'cause of' above. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Emw|John Vandenberg|Danneks}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 12:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = contributing factor of
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1537
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = thing that is significantly influenced by this cause, but does not directly result from it
  }}
|infobox parameter	= None.
|datatype		= item
|domain			= None.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|allowed values		= Any.  Often but not always events or processes.  See examples and discussion.
|source			= External references
|example		= {{Q|12174}} ''contributing factor of'' {{Q|190805}}
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by		= [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
}}
;{{int:Talk}}

Inverse of 'has contributing factor'.  See discussion in 'has immediate cause' and 'cause of' above for details. [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{support}} [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Emw|John Vandenberg|Danneks}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 12:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Demonym (monoligual text)
| fr= gentilé (monoligual text)
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1549
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Demonym. For English, the singular masculine adjective form is preferred. In English, this should start with a Capital letter. Add a qualifier if another form is added. 
  | fr= 
  }}
|infobox parameter      = <br/>"population_demonym" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]]<br/>"gentilé" in [[:fr:Modèle:Infobox_Subdivision_administrative]]
|datatype               = monolingual text
|domain                 = places
|allowed values         = demonym
|source                 = Wikipedia infoboxes
|example                = <br/>[[Q241|Cuba]]: "Cuban" (en), see [[Wikt:Cuban#English]]<br/>[[Q241|Cuba]]: "cubain" (fr), see [[Wikt:cubain#French]]<br/> [[Q36312|Calgary]]: "Calgarian" (en), see [[Wikt:Calgarian#English]]
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = 
}}
*This replaces the previous proposal of a property with item datatype. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC) {{ping|Jakec|Emw}}
# {{pour}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 19:40, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
# {{comment}} This property will be more suited as a multilingual text for me. Demonym are not necessarelly frozen in one language, expecially for a country. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}}. This is Wiktionary's domain. This should wait until we have a system for dealing with complex (very complex) linguistic data. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
#*Wikipedia generally includes this information (see infobox samples above). --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
#**I am aware of that. Still, this data is well beyond what Wikidata is currently capable of. Demonyms are words, and words are complicated. Some languages can have hundreds of different forms for a demonym, and there are thousands of languages we can cover, and these are interlinked in strange ways. Simple monolingualtext won't work well at all. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
#{{comment}} I came here to propose this myself. It's relevant to us in addition to Wiktionary, as evidenced by the fact that it's used in infoboxes (for example, see [[w:en:Halifax, Nova Scotia]] and its unusual demonym "Haligonian"). But Fralambert does make a good point that it would have to be multilingual, so now I'm torn. --[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]] ([[User talk:Arctic.gnome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
#*Good question indeed. For many places demonyms might only exists in one or two local languages. This property can easily hold entries for several languages. A solution that requires translation of the label in every conceivable language might not be that practical. This was the disadvantage of the earlier "item" property. A multilingual property is likely to have the same drawback. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:41, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
#**I guess most places (other than countries and world-cities) will only have a commonly-used demonym in the local language. Where demonyms exist in two or three local languages, we could add both of them with the language as a qualifier, like I did with {{P|1031}} on {{Q|7644846}}. However, countries and world-cities have demonyms in every language, so maybe we should change the name of this parameter to "local demonym"; either that or we wait until compatibility with Wiktionary so we can link to their list of all demoyms. --[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]] ([[User talk:Arctic.gnome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
#{{pour}} In Wikipedia in Spanish we are creating a [[:es:Plantilla:Ficha Wikidata|Infovox only gets values Wikidata]]. This is necessary for such a system is feasible --[[User:Miguillen|Miguillen]] ([[User talk:Miguillen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:33, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
#{{Weak support}} Not totally support, I would prefert a multiligual text property. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Jura1|Ayack|Fralambert|Yair rand|Arctic.gnome}} {{ping|Miguillen}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 14:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = motto description
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = description de la devise
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1546
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = description of a subject's {{q|42470}}
  | fr = description de la {{q|42470}} du sujet
  }}
|infobox parameter      = [[w:en:Template:Infobox country|en:Template:Infobox country]], field '''''national_motto''''' (see any {{Q|5621162}})
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = Instances of {{q|56061}} and other {{Q|43229}}
|allowed values         = Instances of {{q|42470}}
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|16}} ''motto description'' {{Q|41423}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]]
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Similar to {{P|418}}, but for linking to the description of a [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/3#Motto_.2F_Wahlspruch_.2F_Devise|motto]].  The latter will be soon created as well, since the monolanguage datatype is about to be deployed. '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 00:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{pour}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 08:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
* {{oppose}} {{P|1451}} seems to be enough to me. If more info is needed then create generic qualifiers for 'translation' or 'quoted from'. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:* {{ping|Filceolaire}} Mmmm, misunderstanding here.  This has nothing to do with translation, it's rather for linking to a description article, such as ''[[w:Dieu et mon droit|Dieu et mon droit]]'' ([[Q542463]]). '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 13:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
* If we can link to the actual item about the motto, why couldn't we use {{P|1451}} on the motto item, rather than on the place item itself? --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#004B70">Ricordi</span>]][[User talk:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#00703E">samoa</span>]]</span> 02:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Ricordisamoa}} Indeed, property {{P|1451}} could well be used on motto items themselves, but how many mottos do actually have an item?  I checked a few users of [[w:en:Template:Infobox country|en:Template:Infobox country]] and all were displaying the motto in text, with no associated item.  '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 03:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::There are 170 articles in [[:en:Category:Mottos]] and subcategories. I dislike the "X description" label format; pointing to the item is supposed to be referring to the entity itself. If we need separate properties for these, this should be "motto" and P1451 should be "motto text". --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
* <s>{{Weak support}} Not totally support, I would prefert a multiligual text property. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)</s> I voted at the wrong place. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Laddo|Ayack|Filceolaire|Ricordisamoa|Yair rand}} {{ping|Fralambert}} {{done}} --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 21:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Exceptionnal heritage of Wallonia ID | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = identifiant Patrimoine exceptionnel de Wallonie <!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 1551
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = The unique identifier of the [[:fr:Patrimoine immobilier exceptionnel de la Région wallonne]].
  | fr = L'Identifiant unique du [[:fr:Patrimoine immobilier exceptionnel de la Région wallonne]]
  }}
|infobox parameter      = [[:fr:Modèle:Exceptionnel Wallonie]] 4= 
|datatype               = chaîne de caractères
|domain                 = {{Q|2218240}}
|allowed values         = type(s) d'éléments liés (modèle Q ou texte), liste ou intervalle de valeurs permises, format de chaîne de caractères...
|suggested values       = (deprecated)
|source                 = http://lampspw.wallonie.be/dgo4/site_thema/index.php?details=
|example                = {{Q|2477151}}  => [http://lampspw.wallonie.be/dgo4/site_thema/index.php?details=52011-PEX-0001-02&thema=pat_exc 52011-PEX-0001-02]
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
When I was asking for {{P|1133}}, I believed that the exceptional and classified properties avec the code. I realised that the web link are different. [[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{s}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 22:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{s}} -[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
: {{ping|Jura1|Tobias1984}} Done, tanks for your approval. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:10, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| ru = код объекта культурного наследия России
| en = Russian cultural heritage register identifier
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1483
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ID of the cultural heritage on kulturnoe-nasledie.ru
  | ru = код объекта культурного наследия на сайте kulturnoe-nasledie.ru
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|8346700}}
|allowed values		= 10-digits numbers with leading nulls, single value, unique
|suggested values	= 
|source			= http://kulturnoe-nasledie.ru/, [[:ru:Шаблон:Культурное наследие РФ]], [[:ru:Шаблон:Культурное наследие РФ 2]], [[:ru:Шаблон:Культурное наследие РФ 3]], [[:ru:Шаблон:Культурное наследие РФ 4]]
|example		= {{Q|211043}} => [http://kulturnoe-nasledie.ru/monuments.php?id=7810526000 7810526000]
|filter			= \d{10}
|robot and gadget jobs	= {{u|PBot}} will import values from Russian Wikipedia
|proposed by		= --[[User:Putnik|putnik]]
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
The site http://kulturnoe-nasledie.ru/ is not really the official database of the cultural heritage of Russia, but it was created with the support of the goverment and contains the most complete database available for non-specialists. As identifier of the cultural heritage is commonly used this one. --[[User:Putnik|putnik]] 08:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} but it's better to import data from Wikipedia, not from site itself (due to legal rights) -- [[User:Vlsergey|Vlsergey]] ([[User talk:Vlsergey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
* {{s}} As other monument database. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
: {{ping|Putnik|Vlsergey}} {{done}} --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = Glad identifier | de = Glad-Kennzeichnung | fr = identifiant Glad <!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 1529
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = very similar to {{P|380}} and {{P|481}} but for another database : {{Q|18107552}}, wich have ~100000 items but limited to the {{Q|16739336}} in {{Q|12130}}
  | fr = très similaire de {{P|380}} et {{P|481}} mais pour une autre base de données : {{Q|18107552}}, qui contient ~100000 éléments mais limités aux {{Q|16739336}} de {{Q|12130}}
  }}
|infobox parameter	= none, but there is [[:fr:Modèle:Glad]]
|datatype		= String
|domain			= {{Q|16739336}}
|allowed values		= length : 17 caracters ; allways start by MERIMEEIA or PALISSYIM and followed by 8 digits (sometimes the number are the same as the {{P|380}} and {{P|481}} but not always):  <code><nowiki>MERIMEEIA\d{1,8}|PALISSYIM\d{1,8}</nowiki></code>
|source			= http://patrimoine.region-bretagne.fr
|example		= all the ~100000 {{Q|16739336}} in {{Q|12130}} ({{Q|16739336}} is a very wide concept, it could be buildings or objects):
** for instance {{Q|16684501}} : [http://patrimoine.region-bretagne.fr/main.xsp?execute=show_document&id=MERIMEEIA35020139 MERIMEEIA35020139]
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= same kind of constraint [[Property talk:P380]] : <nowiki>{{Constraint:Format}}, {{Constraint:Unique value}}, {{Constraint:Item|property=P31|items={{Q|16739336}} }}</nowiki> (has to be discussed for other constraints)
|proposed by		= [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Could be very useful for {{Q|16739336}} in {{Q|12130}} ; the {{Q|18107552}} is much more precise than {{Q|809830}} and {{Q|2886424}}. [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
# {{Pour}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 10:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
# {{Pour}} It can also be usefull for {{Q|10387575}} of {{Q|10387684}} like providing a source for coordinates. {{U'|VIGNERON}} Does it indicate if a element is part of a {{Q|916475}} or {{Q|18002388}}? --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
#: {{ping|Fralambert}} : yes, [http://patrimoine.region-bretagne.fr/sdx/sribzh/main.xsp?execute=index_query&menu=4&index=prot here] you can see the list of items in Glad by protection. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
# {{Pour}} — '''[[User:Mathieudu68|<font color="#808000">Mathieudu68</font>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Mathieudu68|'''<font color="#000000">talk</font>''']]</small></sup> 16:33, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
{{ping|VIGNERON|Fralambert|Mathieudu68}} {{done}}: {{P|1529}} — [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 16:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis
| en = manifestation of
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 =1557
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = this item is a physical embodiment of an item representing information
  }}
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = all
|allowed values         = mainly [http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q386724&rp=279&lang=en&method=list&depth=3 works]
|suggested values       = (deprecated)
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|Q47433}} => {{Q|Q1368}}
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
|proposed by            = [[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
Necessary property for modeling [[w:FRBR]] levels. Not necessary all the time, but in some cases it might be useful to model the manifestation separately from the expression. --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
: Could you show at least one such case, please (for works)? [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Danneks}} There are no items like that at the moment, because it is for special cases, but I created one for this example:
::*work item: {{Q|8275}}, all Iliad versions
::**edition item: {{Q|17559055}}, a Catalan translation by Conrad Roure
::***manifestation item 1: Qxxx, the original manuscript by Conrad Roure kept at the library
::***manifestation item 2: Qxxx, a print run of 300 exemplars with 300 pages
::***manifestation item 3: {{Q|17559097}}, special print run of 30 exemplars with 336 pages
::****item: [[c:File:Iliada (1879).djvu]]: a scan of one of the 30 exemplars, contains author signature on page 2
::This is of course hypothetic, normally it would be enough having only the work and edition item, only when more than one manifestation is added, then it would be needed to split it.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Micru}} Thanks. I'm not sure that we need distinct items for different manifestations of the same edition, we are not a library after all :) Alternatively, we can create "text" property with links to Wikisource, like {{P|18}} and {{P|996}}. And I think that ''text'' can be translated unambiguously into many more languages than ''manifestation of''.  [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Danneks}} Yes, that could be another option, but if it is just to link with the "Wikisource index page" (the text is a sitelink) I wouldn't call it "text", but perhaps simply "Wikisource index page" which is what it is :) I'm also thinking that such a property could be used as qualifier of "scan file".--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::::And what about non-bibliographic items? How do we link classes like {{Q|Q47433}} => {{Q|Q1368}}? Do we need a more user-friendly name, like "representation of"?  Or can we perhaps (ab)use "instance of"? Pinging {{ping|TomT0m}} to see if he has some idea.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Well, money is defined as any object generally accepted as payment, and banknotes are clearly a subclass of such objects. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::There are two "money" concepts, one is "object accepted as payment", and the other "record accepted as payment", I guess you are referring to the first one which is clear, but I am more interested in the second. Or better said, how to connect both concepts in a better way than having both merged in one item.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, but I don't understand you at all. Isn't record an {{Q|488383}}? Or maybe you can give reference to the fact that there are two money concepts... [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::See the lead text of enwp: ''the main functions of money are distinguished as: a medium of exchange; a unit of account; a store of value; and, occasionally in the past, a standard of deferred payment. Any '''item''' or verifiable '''record''' that fulfills these functions can be considered money.'' By "item" it is meant a physical entity, and by "record" it is meant an information entity.
::::::::Information is what happens when you perceive something, and a physical entity happens independently of perception. To put it briefly, "a banknote" is always happening, but the "realization that the banknote is worth 10EUR" only happens when someone perceives it and decodes its message. 
::::::::{{Q|488383}} has the connotation of something perceived by an observer, not of something happening independently of perception.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, it seems that for different philosophers, "object" has different connotations... Personally, I like the opinion "object=entity". So I think that "banknote" does not exist unless someone will say that it is a banknote, and its "atoms" do not exist unless someone will say that they are atoms... We can say that they "correspond to matter", but the problem is that we can't say anything about matter itself... And I can say that "money" correspond to some matter too, I have some material money :). So I think that having the "instance of" property would be enough for all purposes, unless you will show a convincing counter-example. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: {{Ping|Micru}} This property seems a little bit abstract to be OK with only one example to me. I'm not sure I understand this property. For the money problem, I would say it's easier to say that each coin is an object with a facial value, the facial value would be a number with a currency type. It seems easier to model, a property ''facial value'', a qualifier property for the currency (or converse). For editions, how is this different from using {{instance of}} ? <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 16:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::: {{Ping|TomT0m}} Well if you are fine using ''instance of'' to link class-to-class, then I'm fine with <{{Q|Q47433}}> instance of <{{Q|Q1368}}>. Another example could be <human> instance of <person>, or <teacher> instance of <profession>.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::: {{Ping|Micru}}  You're one of the ones who like controversies, aren't you ? :) You can't do that without reflexion. Both human and persons are class of real world objects. This means if you take the set of all persons and the set of all humans, the set of all humans is a subset of all persons. This means {{subclass of}} must be used. Now if you take a concept like ''clade'', this is different. The set of all clade is not a set of real world objects, like the set of all humans. Actually <human> is an example of a clade. So the set of all clades is a set of sets of organisms, I will call this kind of class a ''metaclass''. Classes can be members of metaclasses, but not subsets of metaclasses. We should think "member of the set of = {{instance of}}" and "subset of = {{subclass of}}. When I talk of artwork, I use a little trick allowed in the OWL language: I use the same item for a written work and for the sets of his, if I understand well, the sets of its printed embodiment. We can do that if we can always tell if we are talking of the item as an artwork or if we are talking of the item as a set of books. This seems cool to me as we do not have to introduce a new concet like ''embodiment'' If we are linking an instance of a book object to an artwork item, we can know for sure it is as a class opf books. Now I don't know how that relates to money :) Maybe a property who links abstract things to cncrete one is cool. Can we say a {{Q''|Q1329540}} is an embodiment of its measure unit ? this would be cool but can't cover the new abstract definitions of the International system for example. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 10:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::: {{Ping|Micru}} A set can be an element of another set... a type can be a term in a universe type, which in turn can be a term in another universe type... a {{Q|719395}} can be an object of another category... This is not controversial, compared to "real objects" and "manifestations". [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: {{Ping|TomT0m}} Neither I like controversies nor I dislike them, they just happen :) The example of "person" is complex, because there are different views [http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2010/02/dolphin-person], but if you say that <human> instance of <clade> to mean "member of the set of", that is fine for me.
:::::::: A <standard (class)> is definitely a manifestation of <measure unit (class)>. If you think the words "manifestation", or "embodiment" are too abstract, "execution", "rendering", or "interpretation" are also similar. OTOH, if we can use "instance of" for that purpose, I am also fine with it.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::: Maybe "used to define" would be more accurate? There is the definition of {{Q|11573}}, and this definition mentiones light — quite a definite relationship. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|Danneks}} <definition of metre (1983)>  manifestation of <metre>. A metre is just a concept, and it has been materialized in different ways through the years.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{ping|Micru}} And here I'd have used ''instance of''. "metre (1983)" is also a concept: I suspect that only humans know about metres, it requires a lot of abstraction. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{ping|Danneks}} Exactly, both of them are mind-made, but as you were saying "metre (1983)" mentions light, which puts it closer to physical world than the other one. I'm also fine using <instance of>, but one has to bear in mind that "metre (1983)" is a class.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:03, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Don't follow you guys. This discussion seems to go way out of control. If meter is a class, then which definition would you give for its instances ? the metre class is the set of all objects of precisely one meter ? Do not seem very useful. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 16:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Well, we can say: "''this'' distance is a meter". [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC) I mean, the distance between given two points. Of course, we can say this about many pairs of points... whether it is useful or not.  [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:
::::::::::::: I see it as this:
:::::::::::::*<metre> concept gestated from 1668 to 1771 and that is still alive
:::::::::::::*<metre (1983)> one of many implementations of the concept
:::::::::::::*<metre (physical measure)> element built or measured following the 1983 guidelines
:::::::::::::Depending on how many of those abstraction levels you represent in Wikidata, some statements make more sense than others. For instance if we represent all 3 of them, to say "<metre (physical object)> instance of <metre (concept)>" conveys less meaning than to say "<metre (physical object)> instance of <metre (1983)>". It is important to realize that there are no "fix" classes. Like the lense of a microscope we can adjust the abstraction level of any class to at least those three levels. Perhaps it would be more clear if we use a distinct property.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:03, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Fortunately, we would never have an item <metre (physical measure)>, because now it is impossible to build that physical element. And without its building, it will remain an abstract concept, the same as <metre (1983)>. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Technically speaking, every time that you measure something you are instantiating a class based on <metre (1983)>. And with Commons joining in, maybe someone wants to create an item to represent the object that [[:File:Platinum-Iridium meter bar.jpg|this image]] depicts. So never say never :) --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::This image depicts a metre bar, which is not an instance of a metre, but of a metallic bar. All we can say is that a certain definition of metre uses that bar... maybe sometime we will be able to say in which way the definition uses it, and it would not involve any "manifestations", only the procedures which were used to compare measuring instruments with that bar. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::''This image depicts a metre bar'' according to your mind, and ''which is not an instance of a metre'' according to your mind :) Without the mind there cannot be known if there is or there is not, because the mind precedes all that can be known. Without it you wouldn't be able to codify things and much less think about if there such a thing or not. It is impossible to get rid of "manifestations" (transformation of concepts into physical matter/processes) because it is impossible to get rid of the mind without getting rid of the idea that there are things. You can hide that as much as you wish, or pretend that it is not like that, but as soon you scratch a little bit this fact reappears, which in fact it is just a co-lateral effect of having a smaller system codifying a larger container system and building a model out of it.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Yes, and Wikidata is a database of human knowledge. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::BTW, I don't think that ''to get rid of the mind'' is a healthy desire :) It's like "no man, no problem". [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::So that's why there will always be concepts that can happen only in the mind (like mathematics), concepts that happen in the mind inferred from contact with reality, and things that happen independently from the mind but that we wouldn't know if we didn't have a mind to interpret them. For me all this conversation was about defining the relationship between the 1st and the 2nd group, if it is not clear I think it is better to let this discussion aside for a while. Oh, yes I agree about your last point... better than the desire for no-mind is the wish for understanding and control over it. Perhaps a good motto for the site would be "Wikidata - the mind you can edit" :) --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::Of course I understand that you want to distinguish the concepts of the first and the second kind, the only problem is that they [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abstract-objects/ could not be clearly distinguished]. Yesterday aether was "real", today it is "abstract"... Wikidata is needed as a reliable source of knowledge, not as a source of philosophical guesses of its editors. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::"Wikidata is needed as a reliable source of <s>knowledge</s> ''guesses''", FTFY :) As expressed [[Wikidata:Lounge/Growing items|in this essay]], abstraction is not a boolean parameter, but a continuum. If we wanted we could put thousands of shades and they will never end, but there are some basic categories that are useful for organizing knowledge and for making sense of it.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::OK, if you are sure that this way of making sense does not generate controversy in a multi-cultural setting and we would not get statements like <Muhammad> <manifestation of> <Allāh> all over the place, then I don't object. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::: Wikidata has sources to deal with controversial statemants, that actually reads ''[claim]'' ''according to'' [the source]. We also have qualifiers like ''disputed by''. But I really would recommand not to use this property out of libraries scope. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 12:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

{{Ping|Micru}} FBBR seems to be an accepted model, can you provide an actual usecase of it ? And out of curiosity, why did you extract only one relationship of it when they forms a whole (meter seems clearly out of scope anyway). <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 10:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|TomT0m}}My main interest is to keep compatibility with the Library of Congress, The British Library, and other national libraries like DNB that are implementing RDA (the manifestation of FRBR). What others confuse with "philosophical guesses", is in fact a well-established conceptual framework with wide support. By making sense of that framework in our structure and having the necessary properties to model it, then it will be possible to keep interoperability with huge bodies of data. The use case is to automate metadata import and maintenance as much as possible with as many standards and sources as possible. I did extract only one relationship because it is the most significant one that we are missing (see [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VstRE5MXf_ejapDyo2FxW4Vztw77HK-6HrdEUbbypcM/edit#gid=0 here]). Bear in mind that we are taking some liberties in its application, in order to keep it simple at the begining of item creation, but allowing an expansion of the structure whenever needed.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:: It seems contradictory to both take liberties to maintain compatibility. When it is up to mass import, what about database laws issues ? It's probably OK for the US database imports, but … last to maintain compatibility with a well defined goal, how about some documentation about the mapping ? All 1/1 properties, with the same intended meaning ? 
:: Comment on your spreadsheet : I don't get the 3rd and fourth column. Isn't item/manifestation relation a 1/1 mapping ? <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 11:38, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Item compatibility can be achieved by keeping a clean concept tree and by knowing the abstraction level that an item represents (think of abstraction level as a zoom). External properties can be mapped directly to q-items and inferred which is the closest property we have. And more documentation would be nice, but it requires a lot of time that I don't have. Item and manifestation are different, I gave an example high above this thread, but abstraction levels are approximations, and as such you can collapse them or expand them at will.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::: Sorry, if you can't be clearer than that I won't follow this. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 12:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|TomT0m}} If an item is an instance of [http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q386724&rp=279&lang=en&method=list&depth=4 any of these items], the instantiated item represents a ''work''. If the item has "edition of" we know that it represents a ''expression'' of that work, and if another one is an instance of [http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q340169&rp=279&lang=en&method=list&depth=4 any of these] then it represents a ''manifestation''. FRBR-''items'' are not relevant because they will be stored in Commons and linked with an specific property. In the excel file you have the properties required to connect the different abstraction levels (if they exist). Is that clear enough?--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::: {{Ping|Micru}} seems OK to me at first sight. If I understand well, a lot of their conceps implicitely maps with our concept. And if we choose to use ''instance of'' to link for example to link a work to a radiophonic manifestaion of this work or edition, thought as classes of manifestations, we can also map this to their ''manifestation of'' concept. In this view an edition can even be thought as a subclass of a work I guess. 
:::::: OK, just to recap :
:::::: An artist starts to worw on something. He gets a sequence of intermediary results. This is what we could «work». finally he gets something he wants show other people, this is what we could call « an expression ». An expression is a text, or a sound, or a video. If we read and record the reading of a text, we get another expression of a work. An expression could be seen as a step in the working sequence of the author(s). For that matter, he uses a communication medium like a book or a radio station. He or they can produce any number of those manifestations. This mean that a work by itself in this model is neither textual or vocal by essence. A manifestation is the set of concrete objects storing the same expression. Different supports can store the same expression (CD - casettes), then they refers to the same expression, but belongs to manifestations. Expressions are sets of identical physical objects. A manifestation as a class can be seen as the set of the union all the physical objects of manifestations of the same expression.
:::::: I think there could be a mismatch here. I woud identify an edition in the Wikidata sence with a manifestation, not to an expression. A reprinting of a book with the same text but with different colors is an edition. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 15:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|TomT0m}} On a more practical level it is not as clear-cut as that, but rather:
:::::::I want to model a novel, and I create an item (Qx) to enter some data about it. This item might represent any abstraction level or all at once (down to physical item), depending on how much data I entered. Then someone else sees my item and creates a new item (Qy) for a translation in his/her language and moves some of the data from Qx to Qz which is a new item more specific for part of the data I originally entered. Qx, my original item, now has a more limited scope, it has stopped representing all levels, and now it only represents ''work''. Qy and Qz are now representing the remaining levels. Then a third person comes an adds some sub-items to Qz, which stops representing expression-manifestation-item, and now represents only expression... 
:::::::As you can see the items don't have a fix "area of influence", it keeps evolving depending on how much data is fed to them. The apparent mismatch is not only intentionate, but inevitable if we want to keep some flexibility. In practice it is much easier because people in general understand that if there is this much data, the item refers to this, or that if this is an instance of something material, then the item must be material. The only missing link was when we have to connect a class of non-material objects with a class of material objects. If you say that using "instance of" is enough, then it's fine.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
{{S}} 

I think the best use case of this is for instances, not classes. The problem I find with classes is the many-to-many problem, so to me it's not clear if we were using it for classes what direction to go in, i.e.

Reversed property, ''manifested as''

*Encylopedia (work) ''manifested as'' collection of books (manifestation)
*Encylopedia (work) ''manifested as'' website (manifestation)
*Encyclopedia volume (work) ''manifested as'' book (manifestation)
*Encyclopedia article (work) ''manifested as'' book section (manifestation)
*Encyclopedia article (work) ''manifested as'' webpage (manifestation)

Original property, ''manifestation of'':

*Book (manifestation) ''manifestation of'' encyclopedia volume (work)
*Website (manifestation) ''manifestation of'' encyclopedia volume (work)
*Book (manifestation)''manifestation of'' proceedings (work)
*Book (manifestation)''manifestation of'' dictionary (work)
*Book (manifestation)''manifestation of'' novel (work)

The far more useful case, IMO, is using it for instances to denote relationships between instances of manifestations and instances of work. So if we wanted to find the work that a manifestation pertains to, or several manifestations of the work (using the original property only):

*Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica work)
**''instance of'' encyclopedia article (work)
**''author'' Sir Vincent Brian Wigglesworth
*Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica webpage)
**''instance of'' : webpage (manifestation)
**''manifestation of'' : Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica work)
**''url'' : http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/289001/insect
*Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica article) 
**''instance ''book section (manifestation)
**''manifestation of'' Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica work)
** ''volume'' II 
**''pages'' 200-202

In practical terms many of the work and manifestation properties are in the same wikidata item, in which ''manifestation of'' isn't useful but ''manifested as'' is slightly useful to the properties herein. As both manifesting a webpage and a book section, it will have a url as well as a volume:

*Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica article)
**''manifested as'' webpage 
**''manifested as'' book section 
**''instance of'' encyclopedia article 
**''url'' http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/289001/insect
**''volume'' II 
**''pages'' 200-202 
**''author'' Sir Vincent Brian Wigglesworth

With neither property, using instance of for everything:

*Insect ( Encyclopedia Britannica article)
**''instance of'' webpage
**''instance of'' book section 
**''instance of'' encyclopedia article 
**''url'' http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/289001/insect
**''volume'' II 
**''pages'' 200-202 
**''author'' Sir Vincent Brian Wigglesworth

If there is only one work and the manifestations seem to mix properties okay, this is less of an issue.  But consider a song: as a work, the composer is generally considered the author, and this would go in the author property. But if the song is published in a book, the "author" is actually usually published as the author of the book. And in a recording of that song? Well the performer is frequently in the author field. If we have a single wikidata item for a song, in the "authors" field do we put the composer, and the author of every book it was in, and every performer that has ever sung it and the information for all those recordings that have been made of it? This is actually what happens to a popular song like [[Q172152|Silent Night]]. It has a semi-large list of performers already. A ''Night''mare! (Pun intended).

tl;dr Support, and I'll probably mostly use it for instances to link manifestations of a work to the work. [[User:Mvolz|Mvolz]] ([[User talk:Mvolz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
{{Support}} to match FRBR which is the standard for book metadata. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

{{Support}}, it may be useful in some cases to distinguish between a text and a text with a medium. [[User:Danneks|Danneks]] ([[User talk:Danneks|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|Micru|Danneks|TomT0m|Mvolz|Filceolaire}} {{done}}, with apologies if there was someone I accidentally didn't ping. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]])''' 21:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)