Testwiki:Property proposal/patronage
- Motivation
Currently station ridership data (and presumably patronage data for all sorts of other things) is stored in templates like w:en:Template:TransLink (BC) ridership or in the article infobox parameters. In enwiki's Infobox station there are also no separate parameters for daily and annual usage data. Putting this in Wikidata would help structure the data and retain older data which is commented out of infoboxes (and also enable using a module to concatenate the last years of data for arbitrary stations). These two properties would be used with qualifiers Template:P (or Template:P and Template:P for operators which use business years) and Template:P. Jc86035 (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Template:Support your second example doesn't look realistic. Other than that I think this is a potentially useful property. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Re Thanks. I've changed the example, although I haven't found when the Tokyo Metro's financial year starts so I haven't included the dates. Jc86035 (talk) 01:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Are you sure that the average number is really +/- 0? I would expect that the number given for passenger figures is rounded to the nearest integer (whole person) because averages don't necessarily produce nice round numbers. For example, 365,001 passengers in a year would be an average of 1,000.0027397260... per day. That would most likely be given as 1000 per day, so I would expect that the uncertainties are most likely +/- 0.5, not +/- 0, although if the source doesn't say, I don't think we should guess. - Nikki (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Re Changed to plus or minus 0.5, copying error on my part. Jc86035 (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Are you sure that the average number is really +/- 0? I would expect that the number given for passenger figures is rounded to the nearest integer (whole person) because averages don't necessarily produce nice round numbers. For example, 365,001 passengers in a year would be an average of 1,000.0027397260... per day. That would most likely be given as 1000 per day, so I would expect that the uncertainties are most likely +/- 0.5, not +/- 0, although if the source doesn't say, I don't think we should guess. - Nikki (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Re Thanks. I've changed the example, although I haven't found when the Tokyo Metro's financial year starts so I haven't included the dates. Jc86035 (talk) 01:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Do you mean "average number of daily passengers or patrons in specified time period"? ChristianKl (talk) 07:33, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Re Yes, that would make more sense; I've changed it. Should it specify that it's the mean rather than the other sorts of average? Jc86035 (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- One of these is a trivial calculation from the other. Which is more palatable? Probably the generic "patronage". That said, these numbers will change year to year, so they might be better suited for the data space on Commons. Do the names of the stops ever change (is that a concern that would stop the use of e.g. Commons)? --Izno (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Support I had been wondering a few months ago how to enter data like this (see Wikidata talk:WikiProject Railways#Passenger_numbers). I think both properties should be added. You shouldn't need a calculator to enter data into Wikidata and I doubt many people can multiply/divide by 365 in their head... or 366 for leap years. Forcing people to do calculations and work out the resulting uncertainties if they want to add information is also very likely to introduce mistakes, we should just let people enter what the sources say. - Nikki (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Ping Template:Done ChristianKl (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2017 (UTC)