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=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = production designer 
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = chef décorateur
| hu = díszlettervező
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{{Property proposal
|status			= 2554
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = person responsible for the overall look of a filmed event
  }}
|subject item           = Q2962070
|infobox parameter	= 
*{{para|escenografía}} in [[:es:Plantilla:Ficha de película]]
*{{para|díszlettervező}} in [[:hu:Sablon:Film infobox]]
*{{para|scenografia}} in [[:pl:Szablon:Film infobox]]
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|domain                 = {{Q|11424}}, {{Q|15416}}
|allowed values         = {{Q|5}}
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;Motivation

See also the discussion for {{p|2515}}. Production designers are one of the main billed cast with specific awards for their work at major film awards. They are featured in the infoboxes in several Wikipedias. [[User:Máté|Máté]] ([[User talk:Máté|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:15, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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*{{s}} - [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = YouTube user name
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
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{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = User name of a person, or organisation, on YouTube
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|5}}, {{Q|43229}}
|allowed values		= 
|source			= YouTube
|example		= {{Q|30449}} => [https://www.youtube.com/user/avrillavigne avrillavigne]
|formatter URL		= https://www.youtube.com/user/$1
|filter			= 
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;Motivation

Proposing with the aim of splitting {{P|553}} (see [[Wikidata:Project chat#Website_user_names]]). Per [[User:Pigsonthewing/websites|this]], YouTube is the third-most used value for P553, after Twitter & Facebook. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:12, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{comment}} The problem with Youtube is that some users have names like "<code><nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/<name></nowiki></code>" others "<code><nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/user/<name></nowiki></code>" or "<code><nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/channel/<name></nowiki></code>". It's even possible that two of these exist and are unrelated, leading to different content. To avoid such ambiguity, URL-datatype seems more appropriate. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
** Well, this is YouTube's problem, not our. [[User:Visite fortuitement prolongée|Visite fortuitement prolongée]] ([[User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:10, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
** I'd argue that if the URL doesn't have the <code>/user/</code> component, it's not a ''user'' name; but please provide some examples of the other types. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
** Postscript: For example the ''channel'' https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgm_rpJcdNaeNNG4JiiZjZg is operated by ''user'' https://www.youtube.com/user/suetanka - and https://www.youtube.com/suetanka redirects to the latter. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
*{{oppose|current proposal with string datatype}}. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:47, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
*<nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/mbch331</nowiki> and <nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/user/mbch331</nowiki> both point to my YouTube channel. (Wouldn't know the channel id as I never use it) [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:41, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
*Try https://www.youtube.com/DonaldTrump which is for Donald Trump. <br>Hillary Clinton is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRYsOHrkk5qcIhtq033bLQ (not at https://www.youtube.com/user/channel/UCLRYsOHrkk5qcIhtq033bLQ ). --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:02, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
** It's not clear that either of those is for the person, rather then the campaign. YouTube does not appear to use a <code>/user/channel/</code> format. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
*** Your comment doesn't actually address the issue of custom URLs, such as "youtube.com/DonaldTrump". Merely focusing on legacy usernames (that are being phased out) doesn't seem forward orientated. For an overview, see [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6180214 "Understand your channel URLs"]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 04:27, 24 July 2015 (UTC) 
****It most certainly does address that. And the page you cite says that, while user names are no longer issued, existing names (and the URLs of which they are part) are still valid and may still be used. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC) 
*I think the datatype here should be URL. And restraints are either it has https://youtube.com/user/<username>, which is the same as https://youtube.com/<username> or it has https://youtube.com/channel/<channelid>, where the channel id is 24 chars long (latin alphabet) and has to start which UC. User id isn't case sensative, channel id is. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:16, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
**That wouldn't work for the Donald Trump sample, try https://www.youtube.com/user/DonaldTrump --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
***You're right. Never noticed that this was the case. In that case all type should be unique, but youtube.com/user/$1 doesn't have to be unique when comparing to youtube.com/$1. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
**No. This property should be for YouTube ''user names'', type=string, for the same reasons that we don't store full URLs for other identifiers. Other properties may be created for YouTube ''channels'', if needed. We shouldn't muddle two types of identifier in this way. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
***What's your plan for Donald Trump? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
* {{support}} I looked at YouTube's API and they distinguish user names from channel IDs. I also found [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6180214], it seems the Donald Trump example above is a custom URL, not a user name or channel ID. I don't think storing the entire URL would be a very structured way of storing the data.  - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
**The link you provided is most helpful, but it seems they are dropping the "legacy username" from the API. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 19:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
**{{ping|Nikki}} Youtube removed what they call the "legacy username" from their api and exclude the creation of new ones. For new users, only "custom URI" become available and we need to include these in one way or the other. The proposal below for a single URI based property seems better structured (it's called uniform identifier for a reason) and consistent with other properties for complex naming schemes. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
***As you missed it above, I'll repeat: [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6180214 YouTube says] that, while user names are no longer issued, existing names (and the URLs of which they are part) are still valid and may still be used. If you wish to start an RfC to change our policy on identifiers to always store full URIs rather than the UID component, please do so in an appropriate forum. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
****Can you provide us with a link to what you describe as policy?  --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
*** YouTube's API still supports the username using the "forUsername" parameter (see [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23978328/how-to-retrieve-youtube-channel-id-based-on-user-url-api-v3-0] and [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/channels/list#try-it]). I don't think that storing a single URL property is better structured. It would combine multiple incompatible things into a single property (channel ID and username require different API queries, custom URL doesn't seem to be usable in the API at all). There are also many possible URLs for the same ID or name (http vs https, www vs no www, desktop vs mobile, trailing slash vs no trailing slash, etc) which is not a sign of well structured data. - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:42, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
**** You are right about the "forUserName" api parameter. It seems that v3 limited the use of legacy usernames, but still allows this. CustomURLs probably need to use the query in the api. [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/guides/working_with_channel_ids]. If one relies on the api, one should be prepared to process URLs<br>The main use for any of these access methods is to actually go to a channel. This works well with URLs and one of the issues we had with the current solution is that this isn't always possible. As any string, we can easily normalize URLs. Even for such simple things as Twitter account names, you already had to do quite a lot of normalization. If actual URLs are used, this is easier, as the input is already limited and we can define the correct format beforehand. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} This proposal follows the approach of {{P|2002}}, {{P|2003}} etc. However, youtube has different url formats (<nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/<name></nowiki> and <nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/user/<name></nowiki> so unfortunately in this case the approach fails. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
**{{Ping|Pasleim}} As I explained above, (in July!), https://www.youtube.com/suetanka (for example) redirects to https://www.youtube.com/user/suetanka Do you have a counter example, where this pattern does not apply? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
***I'm really glad you ask this question. It helps evaluating your votes on the other proposals. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
***{{ping|Pigsonthewing}} https://www.youtube.com/DonaldTrump does not redirect to https://www.youtube.com/user/DonaldTrump --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
****As I said above (also in July!) "It's not clear that [that] is for the person, rather then the campaign". Do you have any examples involving ''personal'' pages? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
*****Would you happen to have anything to support your talk? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
* {{Com}} As pointed out below, https://www.youtube.com/DonaldTrump represents a ''channel'' not a ''user'' and is equivalent to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAql2DyGU2un1Ei2nMYsqOA - the objections are therefore moot, and this property should now be created. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} Having worked with the YouTube API v3 this proposal makes little sense.  YouTube has legacy YouTube users and Google+ (is it Google Account now?) users and the new API uses channels that aren't tied to a single username.  The short vanity URL (proposal early version) can be reassigned -- [http://www.businessinsider.com/google-vlogger-matthew-lush-youtube-soap-lush-domain-2015-6].  Also, I'd like to see a good use case besides social-media-for-marketing or it "helps Google make more money".  [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] ([[User talk:Dispenser|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:22, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
** {{Comment}} I'll speak to use cases from a researcher's perspective. Social media use is a critical part of {{Q|207434}} studies: see [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=CSCW+social+media 'CSCW social media' in Google Scholar] for examples. Social media properties in Wikidata afford observation and comparison of social media use across classes of entities. For instance, a basic study would be mining tweets separated by gender of person. Another could be video style of musical artists across genres. Since many companies have APIs that allow discovery of follower relationships, social media properties in Wikidata also afford building a derived social graph. This is only possible when social media is part of the linked data graph. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*** That's a bit of a tautology and gender is available via Google+.  What I was really trying to ask is "What data could Wikidata harvest from this property?"  Seeing how these social websites rise and fall, it might be better to have a generic "External profile URL" for the social media stuff.  [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] ([[User talk:Dispenser|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Consensus not reached.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


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{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Channel address/User name/address of a person, or organisation's YouTube feed [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6180214]
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|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= url
|domain			= {{Q|5}}, {{Q|43229}}
|allowed values		= URLs starting with https://youtube.com/
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|30449}} => https://www.youtube.com/user/avrillavigne <br> {{Q|6294}} =>  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRYsOHrkk5qcIhtq033bLQ <br>{{Q|22686}} => https://www.youtube.com/DonaldTrump (not [https://www.youtube.com/user/DonaldTrump https://www.youtube.com/<b>user/</b>DonaldTrump])
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*{{comment}}: This to replace the current use of {{P|553}} for Youtube. YouTube are basically channels, but these can be addressed as Youtube.com/<name> or Youtube.com/user/<name> or as Youtube.com/channel/<channel id>. Similar to other sites with complex addressing, we apply a single URL as identifier. This ensures that users aren't lost with too many concurring properties. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Reject''' proposal, for the same reasons as discussed in the context of the identifier proposals. As for "lost with too many concurring [sic] properties", we have a number of other property sets where there are multiples (see [[property:P1217]] to 1220; [[property:P1233]] to 1235 and 1239; and a handful of others).<p>Why are you opening a second discussion while the first is still underway? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
**It's actually the 3rd, not the 2nd. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per proposals above. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:44, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
* {{support}} URL datatype is not pretty but I don't see how to deal with all different URL formats when using string properties. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:42, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} For https://www.youtube.com/DonaldTrump use https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAql2DyGU2un1Ei2nMYsqOA . [[User:Visite fortuitement prolongée|Visite fortuitement prolongée]] ([[User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:45, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
**{{ping|Visite fortuitement prolongée}} That would actually be an argument to support the previous proposal (#2) and oppose the initial proposal (#1). Just bear in mind the scheme <domain>/<name> replaced <domain>/user/<username> --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:36, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

{{not done}} Consensus not reached.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:31, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
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{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Entry in Baike.com (Hudong) encyclopedia
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|subject item           = Q1203487
|datatype		= string
|domain			= all
|allowed values		= Chinese text
|example		= {{Q|16597}} → 江泽民
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|filter			= check that it's a real account
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;Motivation

Entry in leading Chinese encyclopedia [[:en:Baike.com|Baike.com]] (known as Hudong).--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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*{{Kontraux}}. Use {{P|1343}}. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
* Use {{P|1343}} where this encyclopedia is a good source but have an authority control property like this proposal as well. 
: {{S}}. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:With 1 support without arguments and 2 opposes with the same argument that there is an alternative and nobody adressed the objections, this is {{nd}}. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Mbch331}} I think you have misread this. Three is only one oppose. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I looked like the second line was also a oppose, but it's part of Filceolaire's response. Then there is no clear consensus against or in favor and I've removed the not done. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:07, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} These are not authority control values, as far as I can tell they are wiki page titles subject to change.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
** We already have other properties which are wiki page titles, e.g. {{P|839}}, {{P|2000}}, {{P|2490}} and of course all the Commons ones like {{P|373}} - what makes this one different? - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{O}} No identifier. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:12, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
** We already have multiple existing properties like this (see above) and Lydia said very recently on the Wikidata mailing list ([https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2016-February/008102.html here]) that links to other wikis are handled via statements. That implies to me that this proposal is valid as it is and should only be judged on whether or not the property would be useful. - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} I had a look and found references or external links to this site on (at least) 10 different Wikipedias, albeit not huge numbers of links. This does however seem like something which could be useful. - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
* There is also a [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/34#Baidu_Baike_entry|Baidu Baike]] proposal, which was buried in the archive.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:23, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Consensus not reached.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:33, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Standard unit for the quantity measured by this unit
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|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= unit of measurement
|allowed values		= {{Q|47574}}
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;Motivation
In order to be able to process or query quantities with units, it may be necessary to bring them to the single unit. I.e. some distances can be expressed in {{Q|828224}}, some in {{Q|253276}}, weights in {{Q|11570}}, some in {{Q|11247037}}, some in {{Q|100995}}, which are not directly comparable but can be converted to common measure. It would be nice if for automatic processing we could specify that all metric length units should be converted to, say, {{Q|11573}} - then every unit with standard unit marked as {{Q|11573}} would be automatically recognized by tools as belonging to the same family and automatic processing of such quantities would be much easier. {{unsigned|Laboramus}}

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*{{comment}} see [[#conversion_to_standard_unit]] above. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
** Yes, similar, but not the same. You It would be more complex to ensure all length properties have the same standard unit without having dedicated property - i.e. if somebody says that yard is 36 inches, it may be non-trivial to figure out whether inch can be converted to meters. Having this knowledge explicitly would allow to scan for it and have bots or people enforce proper conversions more easily. That said, I support [[#conversion_to_standard_unit]] and if the majority things two properties are redundant, we can do with just one. --[[User:Laboramus|Laboramus]] ([[User talk:Laboramus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:51, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
*** We should not be calculating conversions and storing the results of those calculations in Wikidata, as that would be original research.  We should only be listing conversions when they are cited in source material, and as such what we list should be exactly as listed in the cited work.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
* <S>{{O}}. I expect the "number with units" datatype to deliver this automatically - i.e. all lengths should be stored internally in meters, no matter if the value is in inches or Angstrom, so all are comparable. If they fail to deliver then we can look at this again. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</s>
:: That’s not how it works. A number with units is just a Quantity (value, minimum, maximum) and any item as unit – [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&type=revision&diff=251541849&oldid=251541813 doesn’t have to be a number.] —[[User:Galaktos|Galaktos]] ([[User talk:Galaktos|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
* {{Comment}} I think this might be covered by the above proposal [[#conversion to standard unit]] – if a statement tells us that one {{Q|174789}} equals 0.001 {{Q|11573}}, we can assume that {{Q|11573}} is the standard unit for {{Q|174789}}. —[[User:Galaktos|Galaktos]] ([[User talk:Galaktos|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
* Thinking about this more. I don't think this property is useful for telling us that millimetres are measured in metres - that can be done with the ''conversion to standard units'' property proposed above as Galaktos said. This property could be useful for noting that ''mass'' is measured in ''kilogram'' and ''luminous flux'' is measured in ''lumen'' and I would {{s}} this proposal if it were ammended in this way. {{ping|laboramus}}? [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:* Good idea. {{Support}} with description changed to “standard unit for this quantity”. —[[User:Galaktos|Galaktos]] ([[User talk:Galaktos|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::: I think it's a bit different proposal but equivalent to what I proposed, only applied to measured quantities instead of units. Maybe we need a separate proposal for that... --[[User:Laboramus|Laboramus]] ([[User talk:Laboramus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
*{{support}} "base unit" might be the term to use. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:28, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:*"Base unit" has a specific meaning in the International System of Units; derived units are expressed in terms of base units, and some derived units have special names. For example, force is expressed in kg²⋅m / s² and one may use the special name newton for this derived unit, if one wishes. It would be confusing to assign a different meaning of "base unit" in Wikidata. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:**I think you mean "SI base unit". --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::*If, for example, we wanted to have a unit to which every power measurement should be converted, we might choose the watt. But the watt is not an SI base unit, it is a SI derived unit with a special name. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{o}} We should not be deciding what unit is 'standard' for a measurement (such as 'mass is measured in grams').  I would be fine with an 'SI base unit' but it would only be those defined as such in SI and thus only apply to SI units and have no inherent relation to other measurement systems (ex: 'milligram' > 'gram').  We also should not be ''doing'' any conversions, all we should record on Wikidata are measurements and conversions recorded in cited sources.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{o}} A table on the Wikipedia side can do the job without all that stuff. To get feet from millimeter I don't need to first convert into meter and then into feet, I can directly convert using a table. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
*: {{Ping|Snipre}} This is not the point, this is a way to store the coefficient you would use in that "table" (btw. it's a calculation, not a table). <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span>é
*:: ;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] I think this is the point: I can create a table with relation X mm = X*0.00328 feet and X m = X*3.28 and no X mm = X*3.28*Y feet where Y is your coefficient 0.001 for mm and 1 for m. My table will be bigger but I don't need to recover several parameter like the coefficient or the relation between mm and m. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
*::: {{Ping|Snipre}} You can always harcode as many conversion you want in your code, with or without this. However if you encounter a unit you are not aware of, you won't be able to do nothing without couching your code. With that information in Wikidata, we can build more generic code which will be able to convert to "meters", for example, any length unit that can be expressed in meters, back and forth. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 17:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Consensus not reached.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:34, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = toll
| en-gb = toll
| de = Maut
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2555
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = fee or toll payable to use the subject
  }}
|subject item           = Q11765
|infobox parameter	= "toll" in [[:en:Template:Infobox bridge]]
|datatype		= number
|domain			= bridges, tunnels, roads
|allowed values		= positive numbers with units of currency. Should have a qualifier of {{p|580}} or {{P|585}}
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
|example		= {{Q|1287969}} 6.5 {{Q|25224}} (qualifier: {{P|580}} 1 January 2015)
|robot and gadget jobs	= import from infoboxes
}}

;Motivation
This is a key property of toll bridges, tunnels, toll roads, etc. these change over time so this should be accompanied by a qualifier noting when it applies/ed. However this would be difficult to make mandatory as it is missing from e.g. [[:en:Peace Bridge]] ({{Q|Q1188691}}).  [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 03:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{s}} --[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{Comment}} Is this always going to be as simple as the given example? Surely, tolls can be more complex than this? Such as different prices for different types of vehicle, time of day, day of week, etc. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
** Yes, but qualifiers can be used to give detail - e.g. {{p|518}} {{Q|43193}} or {{P|1264}} {{Q|132}}. Where a bridge uses classes comprising several vehicle types then items could be created and the main item use {{p|158}} "Class 1". [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 01:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}} - yes. I've previously thought about how this should be modelled when driving across the Sydney Harbour Bridge :-) I know that it has been tolled for its entire existence, but the amount has changed over time in some quite complex ways to model - not just increases in price. A few decades ago it stopped being tolled in the Northbound direction, but remained tolled southbound. A couple of years ago, the also introduced variable-pricing depending on the time of day (peak hour costs more, midnight costs less). I'm sure that these kinds of things have already been worked out by the OpenStreetMap community, can we connect our metadata to that for these kinds of geographic metadata terms. [[User:Wittylama|Wittylama]] ([[User talk:Wittylama|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:53, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
** {{Ping|Wittylama}} The best way to tie objects in Wikidata to the equivalent in OSM is by [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata tagging the OSM object] (point, way, polygon or relation, as appropriate) with a Wikidata ID - as I've [http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/205149952 just done for SHB]. The reverse is not sensible, as OSM IDs are not stable. The OSM wiki has details of tagging for [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours opening hours], [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:toll tolls], [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee fees] and [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:charge charges]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
**{{p|560}} exists so we can use that for the case of differential tolling, although we might need items for "northbound" etc. {{P|1264}} {{Q|Q868252}} can be used for the peak time tolls, but more granular that than we need new qualifiers "applies to period from" and "applies to period to" (or similar), which would be useful for more than just this property. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 14:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}} as 'fee' being a 'payment required for use of an item or service'.  There is no reason to restrict scope to transportation.  Fees, tolls, fares, and other structures of payment can all be contained within this one property. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Thryduulf|Kopiersperre|Danrok|Wittylama|Pigsonthewing|Joshbaumgartner}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:18, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = fare
| en-gb = fare
| de = Fahrgeld
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = fare or fee payable to use the subject
  }}
|subject item           = Q1142227
|infobox parameter	= ?
|datatype		= number
|domain			= {{Q|178512}} (trains, buses, funicular railways, etc.)
|allowed values		= positive numbers with units of currency. Should have a qualifier of {{p|580}} or {{P|585}}
|source			= Wikimedia articles, external websites
|example		= {{Q|4966907}} 1.2 {{Q|25224}} (qualifier: {{P|585}} July 2015)
}}

;Motivation
This is similar to "toll" proposed above, and might be combinable with it, but the concepts are slightly different. This is not intended to be used for all possible fares, but is useful for things with a small number of flat fares.  [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 03:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

;Discussion
* {{s}} --[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{oppose}} Data of low interest and with high variability especially when considering the possible price reductions according to different criteria (age,...). [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} Fee, fare, and toll are all payment descriptions that may represent different concepts within particular situations, but overall are more or less interchangeable.  In any case, the differences are not significant enough to require a separate property.  Thus I support a single 'fee' property that covers it all (see 'toll' proposal above).  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = defining characteristic
| de = definierendes Merkmal
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = defining attribute, trait (or similar) which all instances of this class-type item will have. See [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defining_characteristic].
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= any class item ({{P|279}})
|allowed values		= broad scope
|source			= Often just common knowledge, and normally mentioned in Wikipedia articles
|example		= * {{Q|273081}} → {{Q|3711325}}
*{{Q|11303}} → {{Q|208826}}
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs	= Probably not for bots
}}

;Motivation

Fairly simple and obvious concept which I don't think is covered already. Should only be used in situations which cannot be claimed by using {{P|279}} or {{P|31}}. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{comment}} {{Ping|Danrok}} Is not this the same that {{P'|1552}} ? <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 10:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{comment}} {{Ping|TomT0m}} Thanks, I had not seen that property. However, when I look at how it is being used, its not quite the same. Take for example {{Q|95074}}, and {{Q|202444}}. That's not really a defining attribute. A fictional character with no-name would still be a fictional character. What I had in mind was the basic and obvious attribute, which is absolutely mandatory in order for an item to belong to that class. Such as a venomous snake is venomous, otherwise it is not a venomous snake. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
*This seems too domain-specific. What is interesting to one domain ("list of tallest buildings" -> architecture) may be less interesting to another domain ("buildings pioneering the use of x-type construction"). "has quality" seems sufficient on the point. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:58, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
*<s>{{weak support}}.</s> I saw that {{Q|31455}} is {{P|31}} {{Q|30198}}, but its defining characteristic is that it's {{Q|102192}}. Should I use {{P|527}}? That seems like I'm only listing one part of many, which isn't right. {{P|186}} sort of infers that something is human-made. But "defining characteristic" seems just right. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}. Use {{P|1552}}, with preferred rank if it's really necessary. {{P|1552}} can express perfectly well that height is a sine qua non of skyscrapers; the proposed property doesn't really add anything. [[User:Swpb|Swpb]] ([[User talk:Swpb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
** perfect. Unless Danrok notes a situation in which {{P|1552}} is not a good fit, I'll move to {{O}}. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Redundant.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = autores.uy database id
| de = <!-- Name der Eigenschaft auf Deutsch (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- Name der Eigenschaft auf Französisch (optional) -->
| es = identificador de la base de datos autores.uy
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2558
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = A unique identifier of uruguayan authors and artistic, scientific or literary works.
| es = 
  }}
|subject item           = <!-- ''currently none'' -->
|infobox parameter	= <!-- ''unknown'' -->
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{TranslateThis
| en = Authors of artistic, scientific or literary works of Uruguayan nationality.
| es = Autores de obras artísticas, científicas o literarias de nacionalidad uruguaya.
  }}
|allowed values		= [0-9]{5}
|source			= http://autores.uy/
|example		= {{Q|Q16285}} → [http://autores.uy/autor/485 485]
|formatter URL		= http://autores.uy/autor/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= bots can help adding entries
}}

;Motivation

Autores.uy is a website maintained by Creative Commons Uruguay and  supported by National Library of Uruguay, National Museum of Visual Arts and Ministery of Education and Culture (Uruguay); and its goal is  [[User:Zerabat|Zerabat]] ([[User talk:Zerabat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* "and its goal is..?" <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:27, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
** {{support}} autores.uy's goal is to systematize information about Uruguayan authors and intellectual works. It has stable links and it is based on reliable bibliographical sources.--[[User:Pepe piton|Pepe piton]] ([[User talk:Pepe piton|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{question}} Are these numbers stable?  I just clicked on the '485' link and got Mario Benedetti's page, whereas I found Eduardo Galeano's number now is '3'.  I'm concerned that these 'node' numbers may not be stable over time, and may not reflect any real authority control number, but just be a function of the site's content management system. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
** Mabye you are right, and these numbers could not be stable. --[[User:Zerabat|Zerabat]] ([[User talk:Zerabat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<
*** {{support}} The site has migrated to a stable URL format (i replaced the stable format in the 'Property documentation').--[[User:Zeroth|Zeroth]] ([[User talk:Zeroth|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:38, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Zerabat|Joshbaumgartner|Pepe piton|Zeroth}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = First item in sequence
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = First item of this sequence, e.g. pilot or first episode of a television series, inaugural officeholder if clearly identifiable. Alternate ways to retrieve the initial item could be, if defined, through the qualifier "follows=novalue", a date property, or some of the values used in the qualifier "series ordinal".}}
|infobox parameter      = "first"/"inaugural" in [[w:Template:Infobox_official_post]]
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = items for series, offices, etc.
|allowed values         = items with a property linking to that series/position
|source                 = infoboxes
|example                = [[w:President of the European Commission]] → [[w:Walter Hallstein]] (note the infobox on the linked page)
|robot and gadget jobs  = {{Q|Q21914398}}
|proposed by = [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
}}

;{{int:Talk}}

* For three alternative solutions, see [[Wikidata:Project chat#First item of series]]. 
**The above, seemingly anonymous, comment was added by Jura1, in [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic&diff=289390948&oldid=289187967 his edit of 14:04 UTC today]. He misplaced it, in the {{Para|description}} field, despite him having been told previously not to include links there. Accordingly, I moved it here, together with a copy of his sig, so that the attribution was not lost. He removed the sig, so I added {{Tl|Unsigned}}. He has now also removed that. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{O}} As pointed out on project chat, by [[User:ValterVB]] and [[User:Yair rand]] respectively, Set {{P|155}} to "no value" and/ or use  {{P|1545}}. Also, please use Q items, not Wikipedia links, for examples. And I've moved a misplaced editorial comment from the description. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span>
* {{O}} per Andy's coments. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}}. I'd also like to have a special property to link an element of a sequence to the item about the sequence, I think it's a mistake to use part of for this. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 20:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Consensus not reached.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en | en = DEFAULTSORT | fr = DEFAULTSORT }} ===

{{Property proposal
|status		= not done
|description    = 
; Proposition at languages level:
: At the end of definitions of the properties there are tables of links from Wikidata to other wikis.
: We can add to each of these links a DEFAULTSORT field, with a priority mechanism described below, which is valid only for this couple of wiki + language.
: If a lastname and 0 or 1 firstname is defined, the DEFAULTSORT 1 is "lastname then firstname". For other elements than Person this sort is the consensual one.
: If a check box "firstname then lastname" or "reverse order", DEFAULTSORT 2 is the "reverse order" and overrides DEFAULTSORT 1. For other elements than Person this sort would be a switching between two simple options.
: If a user has defined the DEFAULTSORT 3 is the text "value provided by the user" and overrides DEFAULTSORT 2.
: The eventual future regional-sort can not use this option DEFAULTSORT 3 to not disturb the sorting in the main language.
; Details in the Wikidata side, as source of DEFAULTSORT:
: For each packet (element + language + wiki), there is a group of options DEFAULTSORT 1 to 3.
: An interface to get the DEFAULTSORT options of a category is available in all wikis for templates and in [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client/Lua#mw.wikibase.entity.claimRanks Wikibase Client/Lua].
: Perhaps another interface to remotely define the DEFAULTSORT options of each packet (element + language + wiki) must be in the Mediawiki configuration of each wiki and could be  in [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client/Lua#mw.wikibase.entity.claimRanks Wikibase Client/Lua].
: Wikidata could also use the DEFAULTSORT property as client to sort its own categories or a part of them.
; Details in the wiki side, as client of Wikidata:
: Each wiki can activate or not its client of DEFAULTSORT property, and activate or not the DEFAULTSORT property in each category.
: In each category where DEFAULTSORT property is active, but bad defined, an error is displaid and one other alerts local admins.
: Each wiki must chose a default packet (element + language + wiki).
: Each category can change all or only some part in the wiki paquet definition.
: Each user can chooses its own language to sort all categories of a wiki.
: The priority level for the sort language is the item, else the user one, else the category one, else the wiki one.
: If the priority change is partial, it can change other part of the paquet definition.
|subject item   	= 
|infobox parameter	= none, for categories only
|datatype		= string
|domain			= Person or any sortable items of the string type
|allowed values		= { "normal", "reverse", "result", "regional" } + result + ( regional-sort-code in eventual future )
|source			= 
|example		= <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT|normal}} → {{DEFAULTSORT|reverse}} → {{DEFAULTSORT|result|De Magon, Ricardo}} → {DEFAULTSORT|regional|cyrillic-en|Ovechkin, Alexander}}</nowiki>
|formatter URL		=
|filter			= 1 to 3 strings following allowed values and options DEFAULTSORT 1 to 3
|robot and gadget jobs	= A bot to prepare the activation of new client wikis, collecting sort orders in many categories, before activation, could help to automatize the DEFAULTSORT definitions of packets (element + language + wiki).
}}

This proposition answers to previous limits:
* we get a new sorting property that works
* specify the sortkey to be used for each language/script combination
* sv.Wikisource and sv.Wikipedia do not use the same alphabet
* easier to select the correct sortkey than monolingual string-datatype
* The defautsort key is language-dependent
* It should be handled with labels, not as a [simple] property.
--[[User:Rical|Rical]] ([[User talk:Rical|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

; Motivation

*Base of Wikidata: do once in Wikidata a shared task or service. 
*Propose an implementation to answer to a several times sought property.
*Automatize the collection of existing sorting options paquet from many wikis.
*To correct errors, detect sorting differences for one item, in 1 category when other(s) are equals, with the same options paquet.
*Centralize the knowing and the know how to enhanse them.
*Build an enough fiable robot able to propose a DEFAULTSORT and a right method in many new cases.
*Offer a sorting service for any mediawiki wiki, in or out of WMF.

; Along and across the automatic collection:
*Detect the differences in the value of SORTKEY, and the difference in the method to get the SORTKEY, the minimal options paquet to do the same.
*To correct errors, see behind.
*When detecting differences, search regularities inside exceptions in differences of method.
*Build an enough fiable robot able to propose a DEFAULTSORT and a right method in many new cases.
*Try and evaluate this robot after enough categories importation, when importing sort options from other categories.

; Types of categories to compare:
*differences of projects: Wikipedia / Wikisource ...
:: Example: Swedish sv.Wikisource and sv.Wikipedia do not use the same alphabet.
*differences of subjects: Biologists / Authors / Sculptors / Streets names / Genealogic research out of WMF ...
*differences of countries: British / USA, Australia / USA, Canada / France, Maroco / France...
:: Example: France use "Van Gogh", Canada uses "Gogh, Vincent". See in [http://viaf.org/viaf/9854560/#Gogh,_Vincent_%CB%9Cvan%C5%93_1853-1890 VIAF].
*differences of languages: foreing languages adapted in local language, like: cyrillic / cyrillic-en (cyrillic names modified in english).
:: Example: The transcription of the Cyrillic alphabet varies from one language to another.
:: Александр Овечкин, give «Ovetchkine, Aleksandr» in frwiki and «Ovechkin, Alexander» in enwiki.
--[[User:Rical|Rical]] ([[User talk:Rical|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

{{comment}} The same property {{P|1964}} was created and deleted last september ([[Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2015/Properties/1]]). Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

:Previous discussion on 2016-01-09: [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#propri.C3.A9t.C3.A9_DEFAULTSORT_property propriété DEFAULTSORT property] --[[User:Rical|Rical]] ([[User talk:Rical|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} per [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/32#sort key|previous discussion]] --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

:{{comment}} To work well with categories at Wikipedia, this would probably need some sort of support from the MediaWiki software. Maybe a new datatype? <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Lack of support.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = GPU
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = GPU
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2560
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = graphics processing unit within system
  }}
|subject item           = Q183484
|infobox parameter	= Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= electronic devices eg computers, phones, gaming consoles etc
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|48263}} → {{Q|1192582}}
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	=
}}

;Motivation

We already have {{P|880}}, why not GPU? Would be useful for electronic devices. Datatype could also be string if preferred. <span class=nowrap> --  [[User:Numbermaniac|<span style="color:#00E">numbermaniac</span>]] ([[User talk:Numbermaniac|<span style="color:#00E">talk</span>]])</span> 02:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
* CPU I can say is necessary for e.g. [[:en:template:infobox video game]]. I wonder if the CPU property can't be qualified to indicate that the device in question is a GPU (or whether such an idea makes sense--I haven't reviewed whether GPUs are special kinds of CPUs, though they certainly originated as such). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{Support}}, but extend to the video hardware system.  It also maybe hard to separate duties on highly integrated systems like the Amiga.  [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] ([[User talk:Dispenser|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:43, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Numbermaniac|Izno|Dispenser}}


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
|en = plural form
|it = forma plurale
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = plural form of label
| it = forma plurale del nome dell'elemento
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages-->
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= monolingual text
|domain			= terms
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|Q11574}} → seconds, {{Q|Q25235}} → hours
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= }}

;Motivation
Adapted from [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/44#P2521]] ({{P|P2521}}).

This property may be useful for units of measure.
Currently an user see this: {{Statement|2111|1181|299 792 458 ''meter per second''}}. In future the WikiBase repo software can use this property for the classic form <code><nowiki>{{PLURAL:$1|}}</nowiki></code> (or other similar), and a user can see {{Statement|2111|1181|299 792 458 ''meter'''s''' per second''}}. 
[[User:Beta16|β<sub>16</sub>]] - ([[User_talk:Beta16|talk]]) 09:53, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}} per requester. The "non-singular value with singular unit" problem isn't urgent, but it is a problem. [[User:Swpb|Swpb]] ([[User talk:Swpb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:51, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{comment}} some languages don't use the plural when there is a number already indicating the quantity (Hungarian) while other languages may use different plurals depending on the number preceding the noun (Russian). So, what I'm saying is, proceed with caution :). – [[User:Máté|Máté]] ([[User talk:Máté|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. First of all, this is linguistic data, which is Wiktionary's domain. Second, this would result in a full extra statement for every language for every item. (Several billion statements.) We have "label" as a separate type of data for a reason. Third, regarding the example you gave, we already have {{P|558}}, which is probably preferable to having the full text anyway. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
**{{comment}} The question isn't if this is someone's reserved turff or not, but can this be provided to users in a structured form or not? If it's a list in PDF format, it would be with Commons and possibly transcribed at Wikisource, but that couldn't be made use of here or elsewhere for specific items either. Wikidata is the provider for structured data. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 07:23, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} In my opinion, building a linguistic database if out of scope of Wikidata. While having structured linguistic data is a useful project in its own, it is something that would have to be part of Wiktionary. --[[User:Srittau|Srittau]] ([[User talk:Srittau|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
**There is actually a plan to do just that at Wikidata, as Wiktionary has some technological issues. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 06:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
**:{{Ping|Jura1}} Do you have any links to the discussion about that "plan"? Clearly it's not a very well-known plan, since you're the only one of 6 people who even mentioned it, and this proposal was not made as part of any plan. [[User:Intgr|Intgr]] ([[User talk:Intgr|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
**::There are multiple proposals to integrate Wiktionary into Wikidata. The most recent proposal is [[Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05]]. Other proposal are listed on [[Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development]] --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:50, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
**::To evaluate this proposal, I don't think it has an impact. Personally, I'm not sure what to think of it. If we come to the conclusion that we need this in a structured form, clearly Wiktionary (or Commons) can't provide it in a structured form. {{P|P2521}} seems to work out so far, even if we had the same type of opposing votes and users started building structured lists at Wikipedia instead. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. See http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/27/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html. Plural form as a monolingual text won't work for any language. Though in my opinion the idea of plural forms sound good, monolingual text does not suit it. The correct way might be a link to formatting template, which contains something like <code><nowiki>{{PLURAL:{{{1}}}|страница|страницы|страниц}}</nowiki></code>. But even that won't work for items with multiple snaks or qualifiers like {{P|P1480}}. --[[User:Lockal|Lockal]] ([[User talk:Lockal|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{o}} will have to wait for structured wiktionary. Then we will have to create "plural form of female form", etc etc. I see no end to this. If that is accepted, I'd like to see a notice that this property will be migrated later so that people are aware of this. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 12:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)




=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Bore & Stroke
| cs = Vrtání a zdvih
| de = Zylinderbohrung und Kolbenhub
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2556
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Cylinder bore represents the size, in terms of diameter, of the cylinder in which a piston travels
  }}
|subject item           = Q245657
|infobox parameter	= "bore" in [[:en:template:infobox_automobile_engine]]
|datatype		= quantity
|domain			= {{Q|630010}}, compressors, other machines with pistons
|allowed values		= >0
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|1625442}} → 960 mm
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= consistency check (positive number with distance unit), import from infoboxes
}}


{{Property proposal
|status			= 2557
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Length of the motion in reciprocating engines and other mechanisms.
  }}
|subject item           = Q671554
|infobox parameter	= "stroke" in [[:en:template:infobox_automobile_engine]]
|datatype		= quantity
|domain			= {{Q|630010}}, compressors, other machines with pistons
|allowed values		= >0
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|1625442}} → 2500 mm
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= consistency check (positive number with distance unit), import from infoboxes
}}
;Motivation

Needed to systematically describe engine parameters  [[User:Flukas|Flukas]] ([[User talk:Flukas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{support}}--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{comment}} Added stroke as one without the other does not really make sense.--[[User:Flukas|Flukas]] ([[User talk:Flukas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} both as proposed. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 17:25, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Flukas|Kopiersperre|Thryduulf}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Wikidata usage instructions
| de = Wikidata-Benutzungshinweis
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2559
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = text describing how to use a property or item
  | de = Text, der die Verwendung einer Eigenschaft oder eines Objektes beschreibt
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= monolingual text
|domain			= mainly properties, some items where needed
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|6581097}} → Use with Property:P21 sex or gender. For groups of males use with subclass of (P279).
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

This is being proposed as part of deleting/splitting {{P|2315}}. Please see [[Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#comment_.28P2315.29]] for more information.

This was previously proposed at [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/44#property_usage]]. There were two reasons I can see for opposing it. The first reason being that the description field is sufficient. That is not true, it works when editing Wikidata directly, but it is inappropriate to include usage instructions in descriptions when showing descriptions in other contexts, see [[phab:T97566]]. Secondly, it was opposed because it was already covered by {{P|2315}}. That is also not really true, the original description was quite vague and then the description was changed to be about usage instructions, but that is not what the property was intended for.

Ideally this property would be shown in search results when editing Wikidata (which is one of the suggested solutions to [[phab:T97566]]) so that usage instructions no longer need to be included in descriptions.

- [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:08, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}}. Property labels should not contain usage instructions and this would seem a good way of storing those instructions. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 18:43, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} I think getting usage instructions out of description is a good idea. I am a bit worried though about lack of internationalization, but that can be solved with qualifiers (e.g. {{P|P2439}}). --[[User:Laboramus|Laboramus]] ([[User talk:Laboramus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
** Monolingual text properties always have a language associated with each statement, so qualifiers wouldn't be necessary. :) - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} --[[Special:Contributions/188.175.125.38|188.175.125.38]] 19:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} --[[User:Srittau|Srittau]] ([[User talk:Srittau|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} We really must get usage instructions out of descriptions. They are completely confusing when viewed outside of the context of Wikidata. This seems like the only viable solution at this point. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{comment}} We might want to avoid replacing current usage of notes in descriptions with this before the software support its display in the edit GUI. P2315 is also used for uage notes on statements, not sure if this should cover both. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} I don't really have a problem with usage instructions in descriptions - how it is to be used could be part of a description. However a separate property for this makes sense to me too. Any reason this isn't posted in [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata]]? Also I agree with Jura this would be nice to have displayed in the edit GUI (people don't always go to the property page when using a property). [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
** I chose this subpage because it's not restricted to properties (even the example I used is an item, not a property). - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Nikki|Thryduulf|Laboramus|Srittau|Kaldari|ArthurPSmith}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = comment
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = 
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= monolingual text
|domain			= everything
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= 
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

This is being proposed as part of deleting/splitting {{P|2315}}. Please see [[Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#comment_.28P2315.29]] for more information.

This property would be a generic comment property for people to add comments to things and would replace all the current uses of {{P|2315}}, other than those which are usage instructions.

Although I'm proposing it, I don't actually support it for the reasons I gave in the deletion request, it's far too vague and we don't know what the comments are for nor who they are aimed at.

I think that in most cases, if people want to add generic comments about an item, the talk page would be sufficient. For cases where people want to narrow down the meaning of a statement, appropriate qualifiers should be used (or proposed, if there's nothing suitable already). For cases where people want to add custom edit summaries, while that isn't currently possible (see [[phab:T47224]]), I don't think it's appropriate to store those as part of the item's structured data anyway.

- [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:08, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{oppose}} the correct usage of this property is too unclear. Anything that might be written in here would be better expressed through a more specific property (and if the right property doesn't exist, propose it). If something is needed as a stopgap, I agree that the Talk: page would suffice for that. [[User:SJK|SJK]] ([[User talk:SJK|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} wikidata is about structured data. Comments add nothing in the way of structure. Who is the comment from? What does it imply about the item? Could be anything. Let's not add this please. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = WomenWriters ID
| de = WomenWriters ID
| nl = WomenWriters ID
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2533
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Identifiers in the [http://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/womenwriters/persons/PERS000000009091 Women Writers database] of the {{Q|1665263}}
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= person
|allowed values		= string of letters and numbers
|source			= http://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/womenwriters
|example		= {{Q|1976101}} → [http://hdl.handle.net/11240/a86984df-a43a-4e12-bde2-f55e89c08cca a86984df-a43a-4e12-bde2-f55e89c08cca]
|formatter URL		= http://hdl.handle.net/11240/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Would be great to be included in [http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/ Mix'n'Match]
}}

;Motivation

Large online database of international women writers, maintained by a reputable Dutch research institute. [[User:Spinster|Spinster]] ([[User talk:Spinster|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:13, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{s}} This one defnitely! Do we also need the other property for Orlando, or not? --[[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{s}} 7805 persons found! [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:56, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{s}} [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{S}}. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{ping|Spinster}} The example link gives error 404 (Not Found). Fix it please. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
* '''PLEASE HOLD.''' Thank you, [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey]], for being so watchful. What has happened? Apparently this website has gotten an overhaul and the old identifiers have disappeared (I only see a handle as permalink). The (identifier-like) string that links to the website's information page of a writer ([http://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/womenwriters/vre/persons/f4cf87a6-b835-45d1-9895-31981fef8a7e example]) is different from the string in the handle, which links to a structured metadata-like page ([https://repository.huygens.knaw.nl/domain/persons/f4cf87a6-b835-45d1-9895-31981fef8a7e?rev=1 example]).
* Since we have a separate property for handle ({{P|1184}}), I'm not sure if we need this separate property anymore; on the other hand, for findability purposes I'd find it valuable to be able to search for women in this database separately via Wikidata (hence: a unique property for this dataset). If anyone has feedback on how to tackle this, I'd love to hear your input. ({{ping|Multichill}} any ideas?) I'll contact the website managers to see if they have suggestions too. [[User:Spinster|Spinster]] ([[User talk:Spinster|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
* '''Update''' - I received email from the maintainers of this database. The handles will be the permalinks indeed. I would like to stick to this property proposal; updated with the handle formatter URL. {{done}} [[User:Spinster|Spinster]] ([[User talk:Spinster|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{ping|Jane023}} {{ping|Multichill}} {{ping|Runner1928}} {{ping|Filceolaire}} {{ping|Sergey kudryavtsev}} {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} What do you think, now the proposal was updated? [[User:Spinster|Spinster]] ([[User talk:Spinster|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
** {{S}} and I'd love to see further work on mapping the relations in this database to Wikidata properties. E.g., their 'has birth place' is our {{P|19}}. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Spinster|Multichill|Runner1928|Filceolaire|Edgars2007|Jane023}} - {{done}} [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Nationalmuseum Sweden artist ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
| sv = Nationalmuseum konstnärsID
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2538
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Artist identifier for Nationalmuseum in Sweden
  | sv = Konstnärs-id för Nationalmuseum
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= <!-- Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]] -->
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= Persons
|allowed values		= [0-9]\d{0,5} (1 to ~25000)
|source			= external reference
|example		= {{Q|187310}} → 3877
|formatter URL		= http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=artist&objectId=$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bot will populate most of these
}}

;Motivation

IDs used for artists in the Nationalmuseum artwork database. Useful both as external identifiers and for being able to match their artwork on Wikidata to artists  [[User:André Costa (WMSE)|André Costa (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:André Costa (WMSE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{Com}} Perhaps name should be Nationalmuseum Sweden artist identifier, to avoid ambiguity. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
** Makes sense. Changing the English name, leaving the Swedish one unchanged. /[[User:André Costa (WMSE)|André Costa (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:André Costa (WMSE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} - definetly yes. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Ping|André Costa (WMSE)|Edgars2007|Marcus Cyron}} {{done}}!! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Nationalmuseum Sweden artwork ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
| sv = Nationalmuseum konstverksID
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2539
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Artwork identifier for Nationalmuseum in Sweden
  | sv = Konstverks-id för Nationalmuseum
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= <!-- Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]] -->
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= Artwork
|allowed values		= [0-9]\d{0,6} (1 to ~200000)
|source			= external reference
|example		= {{Q|761681}} → 32534
|formatter URL		= http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=$1&viewType=detailView
|filter			=
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bot will populate most of these
}}

;Motivation

IDs used for artwork in the Nationalmuseum artwork database. Useful both as external identifiers and for being able to match the artwork already on Wikidata to artists [[User:André Costa (WMSE)|André Costa (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:André Costa (WMSE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{Com}} Perhaps name should be Nationalmuseum Sweden artwork identifier, to avoid ambiguity. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
** Makes sense. Changing the English name, leaving the Swedish one unchanged. /[[User:André Costa (WMSE)|André Costa (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:André Costa (WMSE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:42, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} - definetly yes. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Ping|André Costa (WMSE)|Edgars2007|Marcus Cyron}} {{done}}! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Box Office Mojo franchise ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2530<!--leave this empty-->
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = identifier of a film series or brand in the Box Office Mojo database
  }}
|subject item           = Q223142
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|24856}}
|allowed values		= [a-z0-9]+
|source			= http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/
|example		= {{Q|642878}} → [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=avengers.htm avengers]
|formatter URL		= http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=$1.htm
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

The database is a major source of box office data. See also {{p|1237}}. [[User:Máté|Máté]] ([[User talk:Máté|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{s}} --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
**{{Ping|Máté|Edgars2007}} {{done}}. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Box Office Mojo studio ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2531<!--leave this empty-->
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = identifier of a film studio in the Box Office Mojo database
  }}
|subject item           = Q223142
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|375336}}, {{Q|1762059}}
|allowed values		= [a-z0-9]+
|source			= http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/?view2=allstudios&p=.htm
|example		= {{Q|126399}} → [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=warnerbros.htm warnerbros]
|formatter URL		= http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=$1.htm
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

The database is a major source of box office data. See also {{p|1237}}. Useful data are available on the yearly and all time financial performance of the studios' products. [[User:Máté|Máté]] ([[User talk:Máté|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{s}} --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Máté|Edgars2007}} {{done}} - [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:52, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Aarne–Thompson–Uther Tale Type Index
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2540
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = index used to classify folktales
  }}
|subject item           = Q301545
|infobox parameter      = "Aarne-Thompson Grouping" in [[:en:template:Infobox folk tale]]
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = {{Q|1221280}}
|allowed values         = numbers between 1 and ca. 2499, optional suffixes like A, B, C (the AT groupings are preceded with "AT")
|source                 = [http://www.mftd.org/index.php?action=atu Multilingual Folk Tale Database]
|example                = {{Q|Q11841}} → 510 A
|formatter URL          = http://www.mftd.org/index.php?action=atu&act=select&atu=$1
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
}}

;Motivation

Aarne-Thompson classification systems are used to classify folk tales. The system is used in comparative folkloristics to identify some 2500 basic plots. I believe the expanded Aarne-Thompson-Uther (ATU) classification would be preferred to the old AT system, though it could be advantageous to be able to accept either. [[User:Gobonobo|<font face="DejaVu Sans" color="333300">gobonobo</font>]] [[User_talk:Gobonobo|<sup>+</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gobonobo|<sup>c</sup>]] 01:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

*{{support}} This is a global standard. I will follow up with a few notes which may be useful to property implementers. [[User:Phil wink|Phil wink]] ([[User talk:Phil wink|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
**Although, as I understand it, "Aarne-Thompson-Uther grouping" is unambiguous, "Aarne-Thompson grouping" might refer to 2 distinct indices: (1) the Aarne–Thompson '''Motif'''-Index or (2) the Aarne–Thompson '''Tale Type''' Index. It is the update to #2 which we're talking about here. So just to be explicit it may be best to re-name this property '''Aarne–Thompson–Uther Tale Type Index'''.
**We are right to use ATU (the new standard), but I think we are justified in porting A-T numbers (the previous version) directly into this ATU property. It is intended to be "backwards-compatible", and my understanding is that it ''almost totally'' is.
**The ATU index is organized hierarchically. I'm not sure this is easily managed in Wikidata structure; however I'll include here the keyed tables I'd use if I were setting this up as a relational database (this comes from the outline at Multilingual Folk Tale Database noted above, but normalized). The actual ATU values we'll be storing in this property would constitute "Level 4" (not tabulated). Maybe someone can make something of this... [[User:Phil wink|Phil wink]] ([[User talk:Phil wink|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ ATU Level 1
! L1
! RUBRIC
! Range
|-
| 1
| ANIMAL TALES
| 1-299
|-
| 2
| TALES OF MAGIC
| 300-749
|-
| 3
| RELIGIOUS TALES
| 750-849
|-
| 4
| REALISTIC TALES
| 850-999
|-
| 5
| TALES OF THE STUPID OGRE (GIANT, DEVIL)
| 1000-1199
|-
| 6
| ANECDOTES AND JOKES
| 1200-1999
|-
| 7
| FORMULA TALES
| 2000-2399
|}

::{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ ATU Level 2
! L1
! L2
! RUBRIC
! Range
|-
| 1
| 1
| Wild Animals
| 1-99
|-
| 1
| 2
| Wild Animals and Domestic Animals
| 100-149
|-
| 1
| 3
| Wild Animals and Humans
| 150-199
|-
| 1
| 4
| Domestic Animals
| 200-219
|-
| 1
| 5
| Other Animals and Objects
| 220-299
|-
| 2
| 6
| Supernatural Adversaries
| 300-399
|-
| 2
| 7
| Supernatural or Enchanted Wife (Husband) or Other Relative
| 400-459
|-
| 2
| 8
| Supernatural Tasks
| 460-499
|-
| 2
| 9
| Supernatural Helpers
| 500-559
|-
| 2
| 10
| Magic Objects
| 560-649
|-
| 2
| 11
| Supernatural Power or Knowledge
| 650-699
|-
| 2
| 12
| Other Tales of the Supernatural
| 700-749
|-
| 3
| 13
| God Rewards and Punishes
| 750-779
|-
| 3
| 14
| The Truth Comes to Light
| 780-799
|-
| 3
| 15
| Heaven
| 800-809
|-
| 3
| 16
| The Devil
| 810-826
|-
| 3
| 17
| Other Religious Tales
| 827-849
|-
| 4
| 18
| The Man Marries the Princess
| 850-869
|-
| 4
| 19
| The Woman Marries the Prince
| 870-879
|-
| 4
| 20
| Proofs of Fidelity and Innocence
| 880-899
|-
| 4
| 21
| The Obstinate Wife Learns to Obey
| 900-909
|-
| 4
| 22
| Good Precepts
| 910-919
|-
| 4
| 23
| Clever Acts and Words
| 920-929
|-
| 4
| 24
| Tales of Fate
| 930-949
|-
| 4
| 25
| Robbers and Murderers
| 950-969
|-
| 4
| 26
| Other Realistic Tales
| 970-999
|-
| 5
| 27
| Labor Contract
| 1000-1029
|-
| 5
| 28
| Partnership between Man and Ogre
| 1030-1059
|-
| 5
| 29
| Contest between Man and Ogre
| 1060-1114
|-
| 5
| 30
| Man Kills (Injures) Ogre
| 1115-1144
|-
| 5
| 31
| Ogre Frightened by Man
| 1145-1154
|-
| 5
| 32
| Man Outwits the Devil
| 1155-1169
|-
| 5
| 33
| Souls Saved from the Devil
| 1170-1199
|-
| 6
| 34
| Stories about a Fool
| 1200-1349
|-
| 6
| 35
| Stories about Married Couples
| 1350-1439
|-
| 6
| 36
| Stories about a Woman
| 1440-1524
|-
| 6
| 37
| Stories about a Man
| 1525-1724
|-
| 6
| 38
| Jokes about Clergymen and Religious Figures
| 1725-1849
|-
| 6
| 39
| Anecdotes about Other Groups of People
| 1850-1874
|-
| 6
| 40
| Tall Tales
| 1875-1999
|-
| 7
| 41
| Cumulative Tales
| 2000-2100
|-
| 7
| 42
| Catch Tales
| 2200-2299
|-
| 7
| 43
| Other Formula Tales
| 2300-2399
|}

::{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ ATU Level 3
! L1
! L2
! L3
! RUBRIC
! Range
|-
| 1
| 1
| 1
| The Clever Fox (Other Animal)
| 1-69
|-
| 1
| 1
| 2
| Other Wild Animals
| 70-99
|-
| 1
| 2
| 3
| Wild Animals and Domestic Animals
| 100-149
|-
| 1
| 3
| 4
| Wild Animals and Humans
| 150-199
|-
| 1
| 4
| 5
| Domestic Animals
| 200-219
|-
| 1
| 5
| 6
| Other Animals and Objects
| 220-299
|-
| 2
| 6
| 7
| Supernatural Adversaries
| 300-399
|-
| 2
| 7
| 8
| Wife
| 400-424
|-
| 2
| 7
| 9
| Husband
| 425-449
|-
| 2
| 7
| 10
| Brother or Sister
| 450-459
|-
| 2
| 8
| 11
| Supernatural Tasks
| 460-499
|-
| 2
| 9
| 12
| Supernatural Helpers
| 500-559
|-
| 2
| 10
| 13
| Magic Objects
| 560-649
|-
| 2
| 11
| 14
| Supernatural Power or Knowledge
| 650-699
|-
| 2
| 12
| 15
| Other Tales of the Supernatural
| 700-749
|-
| 3
| 13
| 16
| God Rewards and Punishes
| 750-779
|-
| 3
| 14
| 17
| The Truth Comes to Light
| 780-799
|-
| 3
| 15
| 18
| Heaven
| 800-809
|-
| 3
| 16
| 19
| The Devil
| 810-826
|-
| 3
| 17
| 20
| Other Religious Tales
| 827-849
|-
| 4
| 18
| 21
| The Man Marries the Princess
| 850-869
|-
| 4
| 19
| 22
| The Woman Marries the Prince
| 870-879
|-
| 4
| 20
| 23
| Proofs of Fidelity and Innocence
| 880-899
|-
| 4
| 21
| 24
| The Obstinate Wife Learns to Obey
| 900-909
|-
| 4
| 22
| 25
| Good Precepts
| 910-919
|-
| 4
| 23
| 26
| Clever Acts and Words
| 920-929
|-
| 4
| 24
| 27
| Tales of Fate
| 930-949
|-
| 4
| 25
| 28
| Robbers and Murderers
| 950-969
|-
| 4
| 26
| 29
| Other Realistic Tales
| 970-999
|-
| 5
| 27
| 30
| Labor Contract
| 1000-1029
|-
| 5
| 28
| 31
| Partnership between Man and Ogre
| 1030-1059
|-
| 5
| 29
| 32
| Contest between Man and Ogre
| 1060-1114
|-
| 5
| 30
| 33
| Man Kills (Injures) Ogre
| 1115-1144
|-
| 5
| 31
| 34
| Ogre Frightened by Man
| 1145-1154
|-
| 5
| 32
| 35
| Man Outwits the Devil
| 1155-1169
|-
| 5
| 33
| 36
| Souls Saved from the Devil
| 1170-1199
|-
| 6
| 34
| 37
| Stories about a Fool
| 1200-1349
|-
| 6
| 35
| 38
| Stories about Married Couples [other]
| 1350-1379
|-
| 6
| 35
| 39
| The Foolish Wife and Her Husband
| 1380-1404
|-
| 6
| 35
| 40
| The Foolish Husband and His Wife
| 1405-1429
|-
| 6
| 35
| 41
| The Foolish Couple
| 1430-1439
|-
| 6
| 36
| 42
| Stories about a Woman [other]
| 1440-1449
|-
| 6
| 36
| 43
| Looking for a Wife
| 1450-1474
|-
| 6
| 36
| 44
| Jokes about Old Maids
| 1475-1499
|-
| 6
| 36
| 45
| Other Stories about Women
| 1500-1524
|-
| 6
| 37
| 46
| The Clever Man
| 1525-1639
|-
| 6
| 37
| 47
| Lucky Accidents
| 1640-1674
|-
| 6
| 37
| 48
| The Stupid Man
| 1675-1724
|-
| 6
| 38
| 49
| The Clergyman is Tricked
| 1725-1774
|-
| 6
| 38
| 50
| Clergyman and Sexton
| 1775-1799
|-
| 6
| 38
| 51
| Other Jokes about Religious Figures
| 1800-1849
|-
| 6
| 39
| 52
| Anecdotes about Other Groups of People
| 1850-1874
|-
| 6
| 40
| 53
| Tall Tales
| 1875-1999
|-
| 7
| 41
| 54
| Chains Based on Numbers, Objects, Animals, or Names
| 2000-2020
|-
| 7
| 41
| 55
| Chains Involving Death
| 2021-2024
|-
| 7
| 41
| 56
| Chains Involving Eating
| 2025-2028
|-
| 7
| 41
| 57
| Chains Involving Other Events
| 2029-2075
|-
| 7
| 41
| 58
| Cumulative Tales [other]
| 2076-2100
|-
| 7
| 42
| 59
| Catch Tales
| 2200-2299
|-
| 7
| 43
| 60
| Other Formula Tales
| 2300-2399
|}
:::Per the suggestion, I've renamed the property to ''Aarne–Thompson–Uther Tale Type Index.'' [[User:Gobonobo|<font face="DejaVu Sans" color="333300">gobonobo</font>]] [[User_talk:Gobonobo|<sup>+</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gobonobo|<sup>c</sup>]] 05:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{strong support}}. Very important classification system. There's overlap in values with {{P|1256}} (e.g., http://iconclass.org/rkd/84(CINDERELLA)/) and it's important to have the literary classification alongside the artistic classification. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{support}} [[User:Skim|Skim]] ([[User talk:Skim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:21, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Gobonobo|Runner1928|Skim|Phil wink}} {{Done}}! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Acceptable daily intake (ADI)
| de = Erlaubte Tagesdosis
| fr = Dose journalière admissible
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2542
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Estimate by JECFA of the amount of a food additive, expressed on a body weight basis, that can be ingested daily over a lifetime without appreciable health risk.
  }}
|subject item           = Q680142
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= number
|domain			= food additive
|allowed values		= numbers with units in amount per kilo
|source			= External references like [http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov toxnet]
|example		= {{q|425468}}: 0.0167 mg/kg
|robot and gadget jobs	= -
}}

;Motivation
Provide full set of toxicological data. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

:{{s}} Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. Tolerable daily intake (TDI), limit value, and some other properties could be added as well. --[[User:Jtuom|Jtuom]] ([[User talk:Jtuom|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}}  Interesting information. Will be useful to Open Food Facts, which is also linked to Wikidata. --[[User:Teolemon|Teolemon]] ([[User talk:Teolemon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Snipre|Jtuom|Teolemon}} - {{Done}}! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| de = Treibhauspotential
| en = Global-warming potential
| fr = Potentiel de réchauffement global
<!-- | xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2565
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = heat trapped by a certain gas in CO2 equivalents
| de = <!-- Bechreibung auf Deutsch -->
<!-- | xx = Bechreibung in anderen Sprachen -->
  }}
|subject item           = Q901028
|infobox parameter	= "GWP" in [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Chemikalie|Infobox Chemikalie]]
|datatype		= number
|domain			= {{Q|11173}} and {{Q|169336}}
|allowed values		= number with year as unit
|source			= ''Global warming potentials and radiative efficiencies of halocarbons and related compounds'' ([[doi:10.1002/rog.20013]]) or {{Q|3429705}} Supplementary Material ([https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/supplementary/WG1AR5_Ch08SM_FINAL.pdf])
|example		= {{Q|423000}} → 5352, {{p|2047}}: 100 year
|formatter URL		=
|filter			=
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

[[w:Global warming potential|GWP]] for 100 years.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{question}} Would a single property with a duration qualifier work better here? [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 20:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:In nearly all cases in German Wikipedia the GWP is given for 100 years. But for completeness I added also the 20 years value.
:If every duration would be possible, of course the qualifier approach would fit better. Because of the benefit of much easier querying I would urge to create two properties here.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:: {{s}} I support this property but I agree with [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] that there should be a generic property Global warming potential, for which the duration is specified as a qualifier. As many GWPs are given for 100 years, it might be possible to create a sub-property which already has the duration 100 years embedded. But I would add this generic property rather than another specific GWP for 20 years. --[[User:Jtuom|Jtuom]] ([[User talk:Jtuom|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I would support a generic property with duration as qualifier. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} GWP 100 years; data may be taken from [https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/supplementary/WG1AR5_Ch08SM_FINAL.pdf Table 8.SM.16 of the Fifth Assessment Report of the IPCC]. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 22:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} for the single property using {{P|2047}} as qualifier if duration is different from 100 years (default to 100 as that seems a standard). We have a similar issue with {{p|2374}} - that is defined to give the average value in Earth's crust without a qualifier, or other location with qualifier. I believe that would be the right way to handle this one. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{ping|Kopiersperre}} Do you agree to change the proposal ? We have enough support to create a modified version of the property based on qualifier to define time scale. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:50, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
** {{ping|Snipre}} First I would like know how to query the GWP with duration as qualifier by [https://wdq.wmflabs.org/wdq/ WDQ].--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Kopiersperre}} Here is an example of SPARQL query of chemicals having a density value defined at a temperature above 20°C (temperature is defined as qualifier of density):
::: <code><nowiki></PREFIX wd: <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/>
PREFIX wdt: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/direct/>
PREFIX wikibase: <http://wikiba.se/ontology#>
PREFIX p: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/>
PREFIX ps: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/statement/>
PREFIX pq: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/qualifier/>
PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>

SELECT ?chem ?den ?temp WHERE {
   ?chem wdt:P31 wd:Q11173 .
   ?chem wdt:P2054 ?den .
   ?chem p:P2054 ?denT .
   ?denT pq:P2076 ?temp filter(?temp > 20) .
 }</nowiki></code>
::: No idea for WDQ. By the way WDQ supports qualifiers filter (see [https://wdq.wmflabs.org/api_documentation.html doc]), so I think you can build easily the query, something like claim[2054]{quantity[2076,100]}. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: Ok, let's create the property. May you also take a look at [[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Snipre#Pesticide_registration_in_France|this]]?--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Kopiersperre}} I answered you on my french talkpage. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:08, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Micru|ArthurPSmith|Danrok|Jura1|Tobias1984}} Please create this property. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:::{{done}} this one. I leave the other to an admin or one of the above. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| de = Treibhauspotential (20 Jahre)
| en = Global-warming potential (20 years)
| fr = Potentiel de réchauffement global (20 ans)
<!-- | xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = heat trapped by a certain gas in CO2 equivalents
| de = <!-- Bechreibung auf Deutsch -->
<!-- | xx = Bechreibung in anderen Sprachen -->
  }}
|subject item           = Q901028
|infobox parameter	= "GWP" in [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Chemikalie|Infobox Chemikalie]]
|datatype		= number
|domain			= {{Q|11173}} and {{Q|169336}}
|allowed values		=
|source			= ''Global warming potentials and radiative efficiencies of halocarbons and related compounds'' ([[doi:10.1002/rog.20013]]) or {{Q|3429705}} Supplementary Material ([https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/supplementary/WG1AR5_Ch08SM_FINAL.pdf])
|example		= {{Q|423000}} → 7020
|formatter URL		=
|filter			=
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

[[w:Global warming potential|GWP]] for 20 years.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| de = ECHA-InfoCard-ID
| en = ECHA InfoCard ID
<!-- | xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2566
|description            = {{TranslateThis
| en = {{Q|48798}} puts together the most relevant information on individual chemical substances in so-called InfoCards.
| de = Die {{Q|48798}} stellt die wichtigsten Information zu einzelnen chemischen Stoffen in sogenannten InfoCards zusammen.
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = external-id
|domain                 = {{Q|11173}} & {{Q|169336}}
|allowed values         = regexp: [0-9][0-9][0-9]\.[0-9][0-9][0-9]\.[0-9][0-9][0-9]
|source                 = [http://echa.europa.eu/information-on-chemicals/registered-substances ECHA's list of registered substances] (left column with link to InfoCard) → [[:de:Wikipedia:Redaktion Chemie/ECHA|wikitable of that list]]
|example                = {{Q|418492}} → 100.003.829
|formatter URL          = http://echa.europa.eu/substance-information/-/substanceinfo/$1
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
}}

;Motivation

ECHA's document ''[http://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/22177693/what_is_an_infocard_en.pdf What is an Infocard?]'' states the following (shortened):<br />
''In accordance with ECHA’s legal obligations to make (non-confidential) information on chemicals publicly available, the InfoCard serves as a high-level summary for a broad public, consisting of information that is most relevant to an audience of consumers, downstream users and professionals active in the chemical industry. ECHA aims to enhance the safe handling of chemicals for humans and the environment.''<br />
<small>In addition to linking to the InfoCard ([http://echa.europa.eu/substance-information/-/substanceinfo/100.003.829 example]), the same ID might potentially be used to link to other database entries, e.g.:
* [http://echa.europa.eu/brief-profile/-/briefprofile/100.003.829 Brief Profile]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/information-on-chemicals/cl-inventory-database/-/discli/substance/external/100.003.829 CL Inventory]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/information-on-chemicals/ec-inventory/-/dislist/substance/100.003.829 EC Inventory]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/information-on-chemicals/registered-substances/-/disreg/substance/100.003.829 Registered Substances]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/candidate-list-table/-/dislist/substance/external/100.003.829 Candidate List]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/addressing-chemicals-of-concern/authorisation/recommendation-for-inclusion-in-the-authorisation-list/authorisation-list/-/dislist/substance/external/100.003.829 Authorisation List]
* [http://echa.europa.eu/addressing-chemicals-of-concern/restrictions/substances-restricted-under-reach/-/dislist/substance/external/100.003.829 Restriction List]</small>
--[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 00:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
:{{support}} The unique way to connect to ECHA database. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{support}} I like the information about the tonnage band much.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:23, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Micru|ArthurPSmith|Danrok|Jura1|Tobias1984}} Please create this property. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Snipre|Leyo|Kopiersperre}}: Property has been created. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:51, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = defining formula
| de = definierende Formel
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2534
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = formula representing a theorem or law
  | de = Formel, welche einen Satz oder ein Gesetz repräsentiert
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = Mathematical expression
|domain                 = Mathematical and physics based articles
|allowed values         = [[w:Help:Displaying a formula|LaTeX]] strings
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|11518}} => "a^2 + b^2 = c^2", {{Q|35875}} => "E = m c^2"
|formatter URL          = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  =
}}

;Motivation

Every mathematical and physical article defining a theorem or law has at least one formula, which defines the item.{{unsigned|Physikerwelt|9 feb 2016 21:35‎}}
PS: I did not write the request but copied it from https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126369 --[[User:Physikerwelt|Physikerwelt]] ([[User talk:Physikerwelt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
;{{int:Talk}}
{{Ping project|Mathematics}}{{Ping project|Physics}}
:{{s}} - [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{support}} Necessary. -- '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 13:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{oppose}} Use {{P|1993}}. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{P|1993}} shows the plain tex string, this property will show the formula formatted as a math formula: <math>a^2 + b^2 = c^2</math>. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:: I think it's reasonable to discuss both (changing the value type of {{P|1993}} and adding this new data type with slighly different semantics) options. By the way Wikibase uses MathML rendering i.e. <math forcemathmode=mathml>a^2 + b^2 = c^2</math> --[[User:Physikerwelt|Physikerwelt]] ([[User talk:Physikerwelt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
::: Mediawiki seems to use their own flavor of LaTeX; [[w:Help:Displaying a formula|see this link]].  -- '' [[User:Laddo|LaddΩ]]''  [[User_talk:Laddo|''<small>chat </small>'';)]] 17:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Laddo}} you are absolutly right. My comment was just about a technical detail, how the input is displayed on the screen. With Firefox, you get MathML rendering, but certainly you would type $a^2 + b^2 = c^2$.--[[User:Physikerwelt|Physikerwelt]] ([[User talk:Physikerwelt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:: There is a new data type 'Mathematical Expression'. In contrast to the property 'TeX string' (which is just a plain string) the new data type comes with a validator to permit formula input only. And it includes a formatter to show the formula rendered (by MathML) and not as plain TeX code. That's more specific than just having mathematical expressions as plain TeX strings without any functionality behind. --[[User:JulianHilbig|JulianHilbig]] ([[User talk:JulianHilbig|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:51, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}} – [[User:T.seppelt|T.seppelt]] ([[User talk:T.seppelt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}} - [[User:JulianHilbig|JulianHilbig]] ([[User talk:JulianHilbig|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:06, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}} --[[User:LlinhTran|LlinhTran]] ([[User talk:LlinhTran|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:We should delete TeX string then. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

==== {{TranslateThis | anchor = fr
| en = Mathematical formula
| fr = Formule mathématique
}} ====
{{Property proposal
|status                 = withdrawn
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = formula to calculate. Use variables, figures, and the following ASCII elements: */-+^. For more complex formula, use TeX (P1993)
  | fr = formule pour calculer. Utiliser des variables, chiffres et les éléments ASCII suivants: */-+^. Pour des formules plus complexes, utiliser TeX (P1993)
  }}
|subject item           = Q976981
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = string
|domain                 = 
|allowed values         = /*-+^ et variables
|source                 = 
|example                = {{Q|21600451}} → v = d/t
|formatter URL          = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = import de Wikipédia
}}

;Motivation

Permet la définition de formules simples et leur import de Wikipédia. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
**You have been told repeatedly that you do not need to support your own proposals. Also, please provide a label and description in English. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
***<small>IMO, English labels/descriptions for proposals are not at all mandatory. This is not an exclusively English-language project. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:30, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</small>
****Who said they were mandatory? We've been over this before; and Jura1 has apparently functional English. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:46, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
*****This is off-topic and redundant. Please use the talk page to discuss this stuff. The header already requests users to translate this into other languages. If the Royal Society of Chemistry is interested in translation services, I think the should hire corresponding services and not send their resident to ask volunteers to do this. If this keeps being an issue, I think we should ask WMF to make this clear to the Royal Society of Chemistry.  --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
******It is - unlike your utterly bizarre comments about the RSC - not off topic; nor is it redundant. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
*******I don't expect you to agree with this. Can you clarify how your editorial activity at Wikidata is linked to the Royal Society of Chemistry? Does the Royal Society of Chemistry endorsed and/or support and/or sponsor your editorial activity here?  --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
*{{O}} as proposed. The formula in the example should be an attribute of {{Q|9944516}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because of the substantial overlap with the TeX property. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
**That is a good point. If the TeX format is kept simple it matches the above. For other things, TeX is needed anyways. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
*{{support}} I have suggested it under the "natural sciences" category. To get on topic: Already existing support for TeX is irrelevant, I want/need a string that's easily retrievable and parsable that can actually be calculated with and is somewhat humanreadable. TeX does not fulfil that function since it parsing it is more complicated and in general needs knowledge of TeX formatting to be understood. {{unsigned|141.23.124.250}}
*:"Already existing support for TeX is irrelevant," is an unsubstantiated claim. It is entirely relevant.<p>"I want" The key phrase, because "need" for a suitable string providing the formula of a particular conversion (or otherwise) has already been provided for in the use of TeX.<p>"easily retrievable" Regardless these strings are "easily" retrievable.<p>"[easily] parsable" may be the only interesting concern. But already I see an issue: "()" are not provided for in the proposal (c.f. a / (b + c)). How many other "easily parsable" characters are missing from the set? Underscore is certainly one; what happens with the need to differentiate between two speeds (as in {{q|Q160669}})? How quickly does that set increase to "not parsable anymore"? Lowest common denominator doesn't work.<p>"calculated with" I presume proper TeX can provide this as well, so the point seems irrelevant.<p>"somewhat humanreadable." doesn't seem like a huge concern, whatsoever. For the operators provided, there are suitable TeX, none of which can be said to be particularly not-human-readable. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

*::Maybe we could try to focus on assessing the user's need rather than pick on their wording or formatting .. I'm sure everyone loves TeX, but maybe there are other options. Possibly the new formula datatype can cover some of it, but it is essentially TeX based. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

*{{comment}} I changed the datatype to "formula" (might be available soon). <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 11:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

* {{comment}} I would like to see some more/different examples of how this would be used. The present example is simply an entity that happens to already be a mathematical formula, so I don't see how this property adds much in that case. What other examples would be good illustrations of how this property should be used? [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
** for example [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Natural_science#defining_formula|this proposal for "defining formula"]] has some excellent examples. Maybe these two proposals should be merged, though perhaps they also are intended to have different meanings; it's not clear to me from this proposal if it's supposed to be something distinct or not. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} duplicate of {{P|P2534}} --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

*{{withdrawn}} We need an alternative to TeX, but the new datatype is just the same as we already had with the TeX property. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

==== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
|it = equazione
|en = equation
}} ====
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = equation describet by the item
| it = equazione descritta dall'elemento
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages-->
  }}
|subject item           = Q11345
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= formula
|domain			= items from {{Q|7156671}}
|allowed values		= 
|source			= usually Wikipedia articles
|example		= {{Q|507505}} → <math>k = A e^{-E_a/(R T)}</math> (see [https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2214 test])
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

Many Wikipedia articles describe equations: now we can write them with an appropriate property. [[User:Epìdosis|'''Epì''']][[User talk:Epìdosis|<span style="color:green">'''dosis'''</span>]] 16:51, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}} I support a general property. --[[User:Molarus|Molarus]] 07:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{support}} This seems like an important property for mathematical equations. --[[User:Lawrencetroup|Lawrencetroup]] ([[User talk:Lawrencetroup|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:31, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
*What's the difference with {{P|2534}}? [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:25, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} as duplicate of {{P|2534}}. [[User:Swpb|Swpb]] ([[User talk:Swpb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:28, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate of {{P|2534}}, this would be useless. --[[User:Epìdosis|'''Epì''']][[User talk:Epìdosis|<span style="color:green">'''dosis'''</span>]] 14:43, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


=== amended by (en) / поправки в (ru) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2567
|description            = Document is amended by specified other document.
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = documents, legislative_enactments.
|allowed values         = (see above)
|suggested values       = 
|source                 =
|example                =
|filter                 =
|robot and gadget jobs  = Tracking and search.
|proposed by            = [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]])
}}

This property is intended to note amendments made to a document by another document [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 14:35, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::Should this property proposal, and the following one also, be moved to a different section?  I don't see that they are relevant to Wikisource as I have not seen many examples of these properties being recorded on Wikisource in a structured way (e.g. [[s:Copyright Act, 1956 (United Kingdom)]]), however they are part of the large set of attributes needed for [[w:Template:Infobox legislation]]. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 09:28, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
*{{S}} [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 07:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

=== repealed by (en) ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2568
|description            = Document is repealed/inactived by specified other document.
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = documents, legislative_enactments.
|allowed values         = (see above)
|suggested values       = 
|source                 =
|example                =
|filter                 =
|robot and gadget jobs  = Tracking and search.
|proposed by            = [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]])
}}

This property is intended to note ammendments made to a document by another document..
*{{S}} [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 07:37, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

===Contact times of eclipses===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2569
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Contact times of eclipses: P1, U1, U2, U3, U4, P4
  }}
|subject item           =  <!-- item corresponding to the concept represented by the property, if applicable; example: item ORCID (Q51044) for property ORCID (P496) -->
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= time
|domain			= lunar and solar eclipses
|allowed values		= time in UTC
|source			= Wikipedia list article, e.g. [[:en:List of 21st-century lunar eclipses]]
|example		= 6 April 2015, 03:22 UTC. qualifier <applies to part:U4 - solar eclipse>
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}
:I have amended the example as I understand it should be used. Please check I got it right.
:Can this property be extended so it can be used on solar eclipses as well? Creating a property that can only be used on lunar eclipses seems a bit narrow. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, I believe this is correct (see [[:en:Solar eclipse of August 11, 1999#Notable times and coordinates]] for example. I will ask someone more knowledgeable to comment here. [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] ([[User talk:MSGJ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
:: P1-4 and U1-4 apply to solar and lunar eclipses, but differently. A solar eclipse is a [[:en:Transit (astronomy)]] so the timing is based on the viewing location INSIDE a shadow, while a lunar eclipse has viewers looking at an object INSIDE a shadow, so everyone sees the same appearance at the same universal time. So knowing the P1-4,U1-4 times for a solar eclipse are less useful for any given observer. [[User:Tomruen|Tomruen]] ([[User talk:Tomruen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:08, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
::: If U4 for a solar eclipse is different from U4 for a lunar eclipse then we should have separate items for these with the "applies to part" qualifier linking to the appropriate item in each case. This means this property could be used for solar eclipses if we just change the label. I would {{S}} this property if you made this change to the property label and description. [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Could you explain what you mean by "This means this property could be used for solar eclipses if we just change the label." Does that mean that properties can have more than one label? Or do you mean that you could have two statements for "subject item of this property"? Or do you mean something else? [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] ([[User talk:MSGJ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
::::: Rename the property as "Contact time for eclipses". Change the description to "Contact time for lunar and solar eclipses (U1, U2 etc. lunar and U1, U2 etc. solar)". [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::{{done}}, although no corresponding items created yet [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] ([[User talk:MSGJ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::: I ammended the example a little. I think this is good now and support - as my comment above. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:48, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

=== Saros cycle of eclipse ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2570
|description		= 
|subject item           =  Q220397
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= number
|domain			= lunar/solar eclipses
|allowed values		= a whole number between -20 and 183
|source			= Wikipedia list article, e.g. [[:en:List of 21st-century lunar eclipses]]
|example		= {{Q|Q6312134}} => 130
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
These properties are for describing lunar eclipses. I understand that times are not yet possible, so these can be put on hold if approved.

Proposed by: [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] ([[User talk:MSGJ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
:{{ping|MSGJ}} please provide labels for each proposal individually.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Joshbaumgartner}} Hi Josh, do you have any comments on the merits of this proposal? [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] ([[User talk:MSGJ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MSGJ}} On the surface they seem appropriate, but my concern was more administrative in nature.  A nice clear label and description for each of the requested properties makes it much easier for a property creator to do the actual creation of your request once consensus is gained.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
:{{s}} useful to describe lunar (and solar) eclipses. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:52, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
: Please provide a description, and the item to which the example applies. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
:Generally {{s}}. Would this include both Saros (and member) 130 (49 of 72) as the template currently does? --[[User:Mu301|Mu301]] ([[User talk:Mu301|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = uncertainty corresponds to
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2571
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = ...
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = qualifier to number datatype-properties
|allowed values         = 1 sigma/3 sigma etc
|source                 = external references
|example                = {{P|1096}}:0.8524512679233956; <code>1 sigma:</code>0.00028691 q:uncertainty corresponds to: 1 sigma
|formatter URL          = 
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
}}
{{hidden begin|title=1 Sigma proposal (archived at pp/archive/39)}}
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = A property to be used as qualifier, when the precision is described with {{Q|159375}} instead of +/- whatever
  }}
|subject item           = Q159375
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = number
|domain                 = as a qualifier to (almost) any number-datatype property 
|allowed values         = 
|source                 = external reference
|example                = {{P|1096}}:0.8524512679233956; <code>1 sigma:</code>0.00028691 [http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2090377]
|formatter URL          = <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter                 = the unit of this qualifier should be the same as the unit for the claim itself
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
}}

;Motivation

We need alternatives to the present datamodel for precision. Not all sources gives you information about the precison in terms of +/-X. For those cases is this maybe a solution. [[User:Innocent bystander|Innocent bystander]] ([[User talk:Innocent bystander|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
{{Ping project|Physics}}
{{Ping project|Chemistry}}
{{Ping project|Mathematics}}
* What about saying "uncertainty corresponds to" (or "+- corresponds to"). It would be item-datatype and could link to 1-sigma, 2-sigma, etc. Otherwise I think many people will use +-0 for numbers and only add the uncertainty in the qualifiers. --[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
*:What about the following changes in your example above?
*::{{P|1096}}: <code>0.8524512679233956 ± 0.00028691 (1&nbsp;sigma)</code>
*::{{P|1096}}: <code>0.8524512679233956 ± 0.00028691 (1&nbsp;σ)</code>
*:--[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 09:43, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
: {{O}} I would be in favor of an "uncertainty" property for qualifiers as suggested by Tobias1984 above, with various items as target (standard deviation, 2-sigma, or whatever else is commonly used). I don't think "1 sigma" makes sense as a property in itself. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
: {{oppose}} Also, uncertainties can be one-sided, such as the half-lives of ununoctium-294 and other highly radioactive elements, in which case this does not make sense.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:31, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jasper Deng}} I never proposed that this property should be used in every case, only when the numbers in the sources fits this solution. Anyhow, I have marked this as "Not done", since I agree with the objections above. -- [[User:Innocent bystander|Innocent bystander]] ([[User talk:Innocent bystander|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
{{archived}} [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
{{hidden end}}
{{Ping project|Physics}}
{{Ping project|Chemistry}}
{{Ping project|Mathematics}}

;Motivation
The objections agains my proposed "1 sigma"-property above makes sense. {{ping|Tobias1984|ArthurPSmith}} I propose this property instead. [[User:Innocent bystander|Innocent bystander]] ([[User talk:Innocent bystander|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
:{{ping|Innocent bystander}} Thanks for taking the lead on this. This proposal seems very workable. Should we also propose another qualifier for "distribution type = {{Q|Q133871}}"? 1 Sigma for the Gauss Distribution is 68.27 %, but I am not sure if that is true for all distributions. --[[User:Tobias1984|Tobias1984]] ([[User talk:Tobias1984|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Innocent bystander}} Your solution is interesting but you have to propose a global solution including probability distribution ( normal, lognormal,...) and absolute or relative values. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}}. sounds good to me! To clarify - the allowed value should probably be an item (we do have {{Q|159375}} which is ok for 1 sigma, but I think we'd have to add items for 2 sigma, 3 sigma, etc. ?)

{{done}} {{ping|Innocent bystander|Tobias1984|Snipre}} {{Ping project|Physics}}. Please, create the items for 2-sigma, 3-sigma, etc. as needed.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Köppen climate classification
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = climat selon la classification de Köppen
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2564
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = indicates the characteristic climate of a place ([[Q124095|Köppen climate classification]]).
  | fr = Cette propriété indique le climat caractéristique d'un lieu ([[Q124095|Classification de Köppen]]).…
  }}
|infobox parameter	= Climate
|datatype		= Item
|subject item           = Q124095
|domain			= Any city, region, country, etc.
|allowed values		= One of the symbols of the Köppen climate classification.
|source			= Climate chart of the Wikipedia article of the place.
|example		= {{Q|62}} → {{Q|21578284}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= Bots could create this property (looking at the existing climate charts on the English Wikipedia) and add it to the infoboxes/climate charts in other editions.
}}

;Motivation

This would be the first step. The next one would be to add the whole climate data with the average temperatures and rainfall inches. It would be really easy to translate the climate data template in any language, or to build apps ("tell me how's the weather like in SF in October"). [[User:A455bcd9|A455bcd9]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{s}} --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 00:00, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{S}}. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}}, this is a specific system of classification, so I would recommend labeling it as 'Köppen climate classification' (aka 'climate') to help users easily recognize its intended use. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{comment}} This is 1 of 2 open proposals for Köppen climate classification: [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place&diff=270952208&oldid=269889179 /Place], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Natural_science&diff=276663632&oldid=276539815 /Natural science]. [[User:Mrwojo|Mrwojo]] ([[User talk:Mrwojo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:40, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
**I've closed the duplicate and pinged the participants to comment here. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:08, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{Com}} There are, apparently, only around 30 defined types. These should be items, and the datatype changed to match. Also, there is a mismatch between the current "string" datatype and the example. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:12, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{neutral}} I will support this property if it's only used with climate types according to Köppen. {{Q|Q13996}} as used in the example, is not a climate type in the Köppen classification. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:37, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
**I supported the other proposal, but I'm not happy with this one per Pasleim. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 23:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
**I agree. But there's no Wikidata element for Csb. I created {{Q|Q21578284}} but I can't link it to [[:en:Warm-summer Mediterranean climate]] or [[:fr:Climat supra-méditerranéen]] that are redirections. [[User:A455bcd9|A455bcd9]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
**'''Note:''' The description for ''this'' proposal refers ''specifically'' to {{Q|124095}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 00:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{s}} As previously stated by other users this should be rename Köppen classification (the most widely use classification). I will also support if it's named Köppen classification. The english wikipedia shows 3 other type of classification for climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_classification. --[[User:Ben1978|Ben1978]] ([[User talk:Ben1978|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
** Fine for me now --[[User:Ben1978|Ben1978]] ([[User talk:Ben1978|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
* In an attempt to make some progress on this, I've updated the type (since the example was an item not a string), the example (since the proposer has since created the right item for the example, see above) and the name (since the description already indicates it's for the Köppen classification, the comments above seem to agree that it should be restricted to Köppen and [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/41#K.C3.B6ppen.E2.80.93Geiger_climate_classification_system|another Köppen-specific proposal]] was closed as a duplicate of this). {{ping|A455bcd9}} Are you ok with the changes? {{ping|Pigsonthewing|Pasleim|Thryduulf}} Does the proposal look ok to you now? - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
**looks good now, {{s}} --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} per Pasleim (again). [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 17:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} {{ping|Nikki}} I am! [[User:A455bcd9|A455bcd9]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|A455bcd9|AmaryllisGardener|Joshbaumgartner|Mrwojo|Pigsonthewing}}{{ping|Pasleim|Thryduulf|Ben1978|Thierry Caro|Nikki}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

{{ping|A455bcd9}} May you please first create items and translations for all Köppen zones?--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC){{Anchor|table}}
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Wikidata !! Zone !! English !! German !! Your language
|-
|
|A
|tropical climate
|Tropische Klimate
|
|-
|
|Af
|tropical rainforest climate
|tropisches Regenwaldklima
|
|-
|
|Am
|tropical monsoon climate
|Regenwaldklima trotz Trockenzeit
|
|-
|
|Aw
|tropical savanna climate
|Savannenklima (wintertrocken)
|
|-
|{{Q|Q1330709}}
|B
|dry climate
|Trockenklimate
|
|-
|{{q|Q190946}}
|BW
|desert climate
|Wüstenklima
|
|-
|
|BWh
|hot desert climate
|
|
|-
|
|BWk
|cold desert climate
|
|
|-
|
|BS
|
|Steppenklima
|
|-
|
|BSh
|hot semi-arid climate
|
|
|-
|
|BSk
|cold semi-arid climate
|
|
|-
|
|C
|
|Warmgemäßigte Klimate
|
|-
|{{q|Q13996}}
|Cs
|Mediterranean climate
|Etesienklima (sommertrocken)
|
|-
|
|Csa
|hot-summer Mediterranean climate
|mediterranes Klima mit heißem Sommer
|
|-
|{{Q|21578284}}
|Csb
|warm-summer Mediterranean climate
|mediterranes Klima mit warmem Sommer
|
|-
|
|Cw
|
|sinisches Klima (wintertrocken)
|
|-
|
|Cwa
|humid subtropical climate
|
|
|-
|
|Cwb
|subtropical highland climate
|wintertrockenes Klima mit warmem Sommer 
|
|-
|
|Cwc
|subtropical highland climate
|
|
|-
|
|Cf
|
|feuchtgemäßigtes Klima
|
|-
|
|Cfa
|humid subtropical climate
|feuchtgemäßigtes Klima mit heißem Sommer
|
|-
|{{Q|Q182090}}
|Cfb
|oceanic climate
|ozeanisches Klima
|
|-
|
|Cfc
|subpolar oceanic climate
|kaltes ozeanisches Klima
|
|-
|
|D
|
|Boreale Klima oder Schneewaldklimate
|
|-
|
|Dsa
|continental Mediterranean climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dsb
|continental Mediterranean climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dsc
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dsd
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dw
|
|transsibirisches Klima (wintertrocken)
|
|-
|
|Dwa
|humid continental climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dwb
|humid continental climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dwc
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dwd
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|Df
|
|immerfeucht
|
|-
|
|Dfa
|humid continental climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dfb
|humid continental climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dfc
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|Dfd
|subarctic climate
|
|
|-
|
|E
|
|Eisklimate jenseits der Baumgrenze oder Schneeklimate
|
|-
|{{Q|23662321}}
|ET
|tundra climate
|Tundrenklima
|
|-
|
|EF
|ice cap climate
|Klima des ewigen Frostes
|
|}

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = mentioned in | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = mentionné dans 
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = Similar property to {{P|P1441}} but for items that are only named in a work but not actually present in it.
| fr = Propriété similaire à {{P|P1441}} mais pour les entités seulement nommées dans un œuvre mais pas directement présentes dedans. 
  }}
|subject item           =  
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= fictional item ({{Q|95074}}, {{Q|3895768}}, {{Q|15706911}}…)
|allowed values		= {{Q|386724}}
source			= infoboxes
|example		= {{Q|725935}} => {{Q|15228}}
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= (exemple : 7 chiffres peuvent être validés avec le filtre d'édition [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]])
|robot and gadget jobs	= Devrait-il y avoir ou existe-t-il des bots ou des gadgets qui effectueront des tâches avec cette propriété? Par exemple: vérifier les autres propriétés afin d'être cohérent, collecter des données, automatiser un lien externe, etc.
}}

;Motivation

{{P|P1441}} is sometimes used for characters, places, etc. that are barely named in a work but do not actually appear in it, for example the planet {{Q|719329}} is named several times in the original Star Wars trilogy, but no action takes place there and no image of the planet is shown.  [[User:Ash Crow|Ash Crow]] ([[User talk:Ash Crow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
* {{s}}. <span class="mw-code" style="text-align:right; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em;">[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] <sup>([[User talk:TomT0m|talk]])</sup> </span> 18:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}. Things which are barely mentioned in a work should go in the statements about the work, not in the statements about the things. Recast this as "mentioned in this work". [[User:Filceolaire|Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
*+1 {{oppose}} Please refine it. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}. Where is the separation line between "mentioning" and "full description"? 10 mentions are enough or not? --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
:* {{notif|Filceolaire|Succu|Infovarius}} "Mentioned in this work" could be a reverse property but does not remove the need for this one. For example, if I make a list of the Amazons using the Wikidata List template on Wikipedia, I want to be able to show which ancien authors mentioned each of them... And one mention in a list should be enough. -[[User:Ash Crow|Ash Crow]] ([[User talk:Ash Crow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:* {{s}} Consider {{Q|9181}}.  It would be useful (eg in queries) to be able to distinguish books of the Bible in which he was merely mentioned from books in which he was an active participant. [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:50, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:**and you can do that by wikilinking mentions of him in the wikisource edition of the bible - much easier than trying to do something with wikidata properties. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:14, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} {{P|1441}} is useful for any time there is a meaningful mention of an item in a work.  If an item is mentioned in a work, then it is present in the work, so having two different properties is just going to be confusing and lead to inconsistent use. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
* '''Comment:''' See also [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sister_projects#mentions]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 08:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

{{not done}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| de = Produktionsdatum / Produktionsjahr
| en = production date / production year
| fr = date de production / année de production -->
<!-- | xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = Date (year) of production (broadcasting; might also be used for films)
| de = Produktionsjahr (z.B. bei Rundfunkproduktionen)
<!-- | xx = Bechreibung in anderen Sprachen -->
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= Produktionsjahr (PJ) in [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Hörspiel]]
|datatype		= time
|domain			= {{Q|2635894}}, {{Q|2125867}}, ...
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|1262418}} → 1949
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

Basic info for broadcast productions ({{P|272}} + year of production). The date a radio drama has been produced can be different from the (often unkown) date it has been first broacasted ({{P|449}} + {{P|577}}). --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

:Why not just use {{P|571}} ?  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
::{{P|571}} is too broadly interpreted. It could be the start of production, or even the first time the work emerged as a concept. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:{{o}}  Production covers a span of time (we do not currently have a data type for this).  As I understand it, the 'production date' generally cited however is the completion of the production.  If this is indeed the intent of this property, it should be re-labelled and described accordingly:  ''date upon which production of a creative work is completed'' or some such. Additionally, the domain should be {{Q|386724}} as there are several subclasses of this that this could apply to as the completion of creation as distinct from the point of release/publication/broadcast. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
::@Jheald: This property is used with {{P|576}} for [[:en:Template:Infobox company]]: An organisation was founded and will be closed one day. (For a broadcast production that might or might not be the day the script has been finished ("written on date"), the day the production has been announced etc.) Imho we shoulded mix to many things in one property. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Kolja21}} We use {{P|571}} for all sorts of creative works -- paintings, novels, buildings, photographs.  Why not films ? [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:@Josh Baumgartner: You can label it "year of production". We have this information for most of the archived broadcast productions and we need a property where we can store it. Example: [[:de:Portal:Hörfunk/Wikidata lists/Hörspiele]]. (The date of production is one of the basic infos in every catalog.) --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:38, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:{{S}} but the description should make clear that this refers to the year/date that production was completed, as noted in archives etc. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
*{{o}} in preference to using {{P|793}} along with start and end dates, as is done with ships (building = production) for example: {{Q|1333909}}. Also note that there are various phases which a film goes through, not just production, such as casting, filming, production, post-production, etc. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
**{{comment}} The date would just mention the date production was completed, not detail the various stages. I think it's important when no "date of publication" is available. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{o}} {{P|571}} seems appropriate to me (in en has aliases like date of creation, creation date). --[[User:Jklamo|Jklamo]] ([[User talk:Jklamo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
**{{ping|Jklamo}}: P571 would be when production started. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{support}} key date when date of publication isn't there. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{O}} {{P|793}} should be used. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
**{{comment}} Than we would need qualifiers, and things would getting so complicated that making a simple list of films or broadcast productions is impossible. We need this property for the same reason we need {{P|569}}. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:23, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
=== {{anchor|Further reading}}{{TranslateThis
| en = Further reading (Book/article about subject)
| de = Sekundärliteratur 
| fr = Littérature sur ce sujet
| ru = Литература
| xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen (optional)
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Main literature about a person or a subject.
  | de = Sekundärliteratur zu dem Thema (s. [[:de:Wikipedia:Literatur]]).
  | ru = Список литературы о персоне или по данной теме.
  }}
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= work
|allowed values		= books and articles
|suggested values	=
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|30875}} => Frank Harris: ''Oscar Wilde. His Life and Confessions.'' New York 1916.
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
|proposed by		= [[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]])
}}
;{{int:Talk}}
We need a property for basic references that are not limited to a single information like "date of birth" etc. (See also [[Wikidata:Books task force]].) --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
:Is it a "Biography-property" you are proposing? I would support that, but "Further reading" looks a little to unspecific. -- [[User:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[User talk:Lavallen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
::Imho we need this property for all subjects. (What would be the advantage of having a separate property only for persons = biographies?) Of cause the referred work should be "notable" in the meaning of presenting essential information about the item. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 20:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
:::How about "Book/article about subject" then? The problem with "Further reading" is that it may look like it invites to non-notable information or spam. I guess some projects have good guidelines about how the header "Further reading" should be used, but they are exceptions. -- [[User:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[User talk:Lavallen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 11:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
::::"Book/article about subject" would be a good description. I've added it to the title. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 21:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:I would oppose this as the inverse of {{P|P921}}. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
::"Subject heading" is much broader. A book can have a dozen subject headings. "Further reading" (I try to use the same terminology as WP) should only contain the main works about an item. Take for example [[:w:Boston_University#Further_reading|Boston University (section ''Further reading'')]]. It only contain 4 works but there can be hundreds of articles and books in WD with the subject heading "Boston University". --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 21:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
: {{Comment}} Would {{P|805}} work for the use case cited in the proposal? [[User:Emw|Emw]] ([[User talk:Emw|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:57, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
::Good question. P805 is used in {{Q|221}} and other items in a different way (not for literature). The German description "Datenobjekt über das Thema der Aussage" is hard to understand and needs further explanation. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 21:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Let me understand: this would be a property for indicating the main works about a topic. It is thus different from the References or Bibliography on Wikipedia, right? Ths bothers me a bit, as, even so I understand the usefulness of such property, it would be very nnNOPV and it would not be decided in the Wikipedia page. I mean: the Wikipedia article is the place where there is the discussion and the creation of the article about the topic. They discuss and create the References section and the Bibliography section. Even that is extremely delicate, as you could really go nnPOV. But having a Further reading property just in Wikidata, disconnected by all the sections in Wikipedia, seems to much to me. Wikidata has a really small and dedicated community, we can't afford to decide by ourselves which is the "main" literature around a topic. If the Further reading was a conventional and common section in Wikipedia I would agree, but it seems to me it's not. --[[User:Aubrey|Aubrey]] ([[User talk:Aubrey|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 10:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Aubrey}} We could add a note to [[WD:N]] or the talk page that only books or articles are allowed with this property that are used in the bibliography section of WP. This would minimize spam. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 05:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
::::On the other hand, Wikisource often have a "works about X" header in Author-namespace, so something like this is desired, no matter how Wikipedia is treating the matter. And then it does not matter how "main" the literature is or not. -- [[User:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[User talk:Lavallen|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 11:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Lavallen}}, {{ping|Kolja21}}: "works about X" is a good example, but it's kinda ambiguous. There are many books about X, sometimes, and not all of them should be staying in a "further reading" section. I generally like WD properties that are "facts", little pieces of information without POV issues. I agree that a simple metadata like "date of birth" or "nationality" is nnPOV sometimes, but they are often exceptions within a general rule. For example, in the Italian Wikisource we have 2 templates that are used when in a text an author/work is mentioned. See for example [[:it:s:Storia_della_letteratura_italiana_(De_Sanctis)/I]]. I thus would like a "'''mentions'''" property for that, which could enumerate all the works and authors mentioned in a certain work. This is not "nnPOV", as it is the text which mentions them, and the community just puts manually the templates. This is the difference that makes me uncomfortable with the "Further reading" property proposal. [[User:Aubrey|Aubrey]] ([[User talk:Aubrey|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 10:19, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::: I understand your worries, but intellectual work (looking at the content of a book) always involves the risk of POV issues. If you go to a library and ask for books about Oscar Wilde, you want an answer. If the librarian says: "I'm sorry, I have to be neutral but I can give you a a list of 50.000 books that mention this author", you can't work with this. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 15:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: In a first step stay with works which have an article in wikipedia or work used as reference in wikidata. This represents quite a large number of books. I think we have to fix some priorities. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:04, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::::: This is understandable, but it remains unsatisfactory that, looking at the example {{Q|30875}}, an article of ''The Guardian'' (enWP, Citations 88) might be notable but main works about the author that are part of WP (listed under "References" and "Further reading") are ignored by WD. (See also: Book templates like [[:de:Vorlage:BibISBN]], used in 6 languages. Imho this bibliographic data should be transfered to WD.) --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::{{support}} More books in Wikidata. --[[User:Recherchedienst|Recherchedienst]] ([[User talk:Recherchedienst|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 08:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

{{on hold}} [[User:Lavallen|Lavallen]], [[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]], [[User:Izno|Izno]], [[User:Emw|Emw]], [[User:Aubrey|Aubrey]], [[User:Snipre|Snipre]]: since our aim is mostly to collect information about the world and support other Wikimedia projects, this property qualify for creation as long as it is wished and can be used by Wikipedias to store here their "further reading" preferences. However since WD isn't ready for technical reasons to deliver this info, I'm setting this proposal as "pending", to be created when {{bugzilla|47930}} is finished.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 16:55, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

: [[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]]: Do we really need this? --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
:: Imho yes. "Further reading" (= bibliography) would be great for private or public lists about a person or a subject. (Example: [[:en:Cèmuhî language#Bibliography]].) {{P|805}} is marked as "qualifier only". We use {{P|800}} although we have {{P|50}}. "Further reading" would be the conterpart of {{P|921}} but it's not a 1:1 inverse property. - I left a note on [[Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books#Further reading]]. Hopefully this will bring more comments. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

::: ''Further reading'', [[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]]? Something like [[:de:George Engelmann/Schriften]] or [[:de:Ernest Rutherford/Schriften]]? --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: No, for these lists we have {{P|800}} (deWP: Schriften / "Further reading" = Sekundärliteratur). --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:00, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{question}} Is that valid? The documentation does not indicate that list items are acceptable values for {{P|800}}. That sort of substitution strikes me as something that would complicate things. [[User:Dancter|Dancter]] ([[User talk:Dancter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

::::: Sure, [[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] … Both never published something…  --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:37, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::: This is a misunderstanding. {{P|800}} is not meant for list items: you can use this property for ''creating'' Wikidata lists. For a Wikimedia list of works use {{P|1455}}. --[[User:Kolja21|Kolja21]] ([[User talk:Kolja21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:36, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
: I think {{P|1343}} does this job. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} We have {{P|1343}}. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Use {{P|1343}}.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = culture
| de = Kultur
| fr = culture
| it = cultura
| es = cultura
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done<!--leave this empty-->
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Ancient site or object is associated with this human culture
  }}
|subject item           = Q11042
|infobox parameter      = "cultures" in [[:en:template:infobox ancient site]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= archaeological/historic sites; archaeological finds
|allowed values		= any human cultures (Ancient Rome, Ancient Egypt, Inca Empire...)
|example		= {{Q|10285}} → {{Q|1747689}}
}}

;Motivation

The culture(s) associated with an ancient site or find is a basic bit of information for which there is no appropriate Wikidata property. This information is in the 'ancient site' wikipedia infobox, so is easy to import.

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}}. We have {{p|2348}} but before anyone suggests we use that, it does not represent the same thing. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 17:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{comment}} There is asimilar proposal at [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic#culture]]. – [[User:Máté|Máté]] ([[User talk:Máté|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
** Yes, I moved my proposal to the Generic page (I initially changed it to be 'associated people' instead, but have now reverted to 'culture'.
*Marking as {{not done}} because the proposal has been moved. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Front matter
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= Withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Author of front matter (including forewords, introductions, prefaces, etc.) of a book or other work
  }}
|datatype		= item
|domain			= written works
|allowed values		= people
|example		= {{Q|2149841}} → {{Q|258662}} (with qualifier {{P|518}} = {{Q|1358138}})
}}

;Motivation

Missing property. [[User:Swpb|Swpb]] ([[User talk:Swpb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
:{{Comment}}. This is already proposed higher up on this very page. Vote for there. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks. I am withdrawing here. [[User:Swpb|Swpb]] ([[User talk:Swpb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| de = Nummer im Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis
| en = Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis number
| fr = 
<!-- | xx = Name der Eigenschaften in weiteren Sprachen -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = number of a work by Johann Sebastian Bach in the Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis
| de = Nummer eines Werkes Johann Sebastian Bachs im Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis
  }}
|subject item           =  Q214203
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= string
|domain			= 
|allowed values		= numbers between 1 and ca. 1100, optional suffixes like a, b, c... (Anh. or deest would be expressed by qualifiers)
|source			= [[:w:de:Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis]]
|example		= {{Q|Q1193795}} → 226
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Begründung

The Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis is the most important catalog for Bach's works. It is updated continuously and provides a strong identifier for Bach's works. Lists could be created based on this information, e.g. for Wikipedia. [[User:T.seppelt|T.seppelt]] ([[User talk:T.seppelt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
:{{comment}} last discussion: [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/20#Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis]] --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

{{Ping|T.seppelt}} Please specify the ''single'' formatter URL which we should use.

*{{S}}. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
*{{O}} Seems to be minor. --[[User:Diego Grez-Cañete|Diego Grez-Cañete]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez-Cañete|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
*  [[User:T.seppelt|T.seppelt]] , I want to support this but the formatter url doesn't seem to work. Can you get the actual url for {{Q|Q1193795}} and add it to "source = "? so we can see what an actual url looks like? 06:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
**http://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalWork_work_00000283 is the URL for {{Q|1193795}}, which means the formatter URL should be <nowiki>http://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalWork_work_$1</nowiki> and the value should be 00000283. Just checked a random other work and it's indeed the formatter I thought it was followed by 8 digits. Updated the template to the correct values. [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
***Your changes make no sense; "00000283" is not a valid BWV number. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:22, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
****{{Ping|T.seppelt}} you still want this property? Currently this request seems to be stale and has issues. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
***I've removed the incompatible example and formatter URL. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Use {{P|528}} with qualifier {{P|972}}=>{{Q|214203}} instead. {{Ping|T.seppelt}} If you want to link with bach-digital.de, then propose a property for that website.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = BabelNet id
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2581
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = ...
  }}
|subject item           = Q4837690
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= any item
|allowed values		= 
|source			= http://babelnet.org
|example		=
* {{Q|7639844}} -> 00075206n ([http://babelnet.org/rdf/s00075206n RDF], [http://babelnet.org/synset?word=bn:00075206n web])
* {{Q|3490685}} -> 00039711n ([http://babelnet.org/rdf/s00039711n RDF], [http://babelnet.org/synset?word=bn:00039711n web])
* {{Q|7440661}} -> 00070026n ([http://babelnet.org/rdf/s00070026n RDF], [http://babelnet.org/synset?word=bn:00070026n web])
|formatter URL		= http://babelnet.org/rdf/s$1 for RDF (data access), http://babelnet.org/synset?word=bn:$1 for web (better eg for Mix-n-Match display) 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= some data: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control#DBpedia-Wordnet3_coref
}}

;Motivation
BabelNet is a very important linguistic & encyclopedic resource. It integrates multilingual Wikipedia, Wordnets and many other sources (eg OmegaWiki).

It enables all kinds of multilingual semantic research. For example, at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control#DBpedia-Wordnet3_coref we will use it to coreference part of AAT  [[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:56, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
{{S}}. This raises an interesting question. How many other authority control sites have an RDF url as well as the url for human readable version? Do we need a ''formatter url for RDF download'' property? [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
* {{ping|Filceolaire|Magnus Manske}}: the "RDF vs human URL" pattern appears in other datasets as well. Eg http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/300122745 is a web page, but it's just a dump of triples, and the scope note is not there (it's on a "sub-page" http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/scopeNote/113777). http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300122745 (which redirects to the long & ugly http://www.getty.edu/vow/AATFullDisplay?find=&logic=AND&note=&subjectid=300122745) is much better for human consumption. I think we need '''formatterURLdata''' in addition to the existing '''formatterURL'''. Mix-n-Match should continue to show formatterURL but can add a second link "(data)" when available. --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:43, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
** I think we may need separate properties for different file types - ''formatter URL'' for HTML; ''formatter JSON URL; formatter RDF URL' etc. so software agents can find stuff. [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term#Data_Model]] is looking at something like this (I think). [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
** Isn't that {{P|1921}}? I think the formatters for [[Property:P1014#P1630|AAT]] mentioned in your example should be split and follow what has been done for [[Property:P227#P1630|GND]] or [[Property:P269#P1630|IdRef]]. Part of the answer to the above question is given at [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Property%3AP1921&namespace=120] --[[User:Nono314|Nono314]] ([[User talk:Nono314|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
*** {{ping|Nono314}} Yes, {{P|1921}} is exactly what we need, as I see it's been applied to {{P|269}}. So I applied it to {{P|1014}}, {{P|1667}}, {{P|245}}. Not yet {{P|1669}} since it doesn't yet have RDF representation --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Vladimir Alexiev|Nono314}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = ID for entity pages at Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = The Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek is the central German national portal for culture and science. It is providing entity pages, based on the [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeinsame_Normdatei GND authority file]. At the moment pages which are providing information about persons are implemented, e.g. [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/entity/118540238 Johann Wolfgang von Goethe]. Other entity types, like places and corporate identities will follow soon. The identifier of DDB is equal to the {{P|227}}, but not all GND entities do have an entity pages at DDB portal.
  }}
|subject item           = Q36578
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= Any entities types of GND Authority File
|allowed values		= <pre>(1|10)\d{7}[0-9X]|[47]\d{6}-\d|[1-9]\d{0,7}-[0-9X]|3\d{7}[0-9X]</pre>
|source			= External Reference
|example		= {{Q|5879}} → [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/entity/118540238 118540238]
|formatter URL		= https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/entity/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Could be added by a bot, based on [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/beacon/ BEACON files]
}}

;Motivation

I am working for Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek and we are strongly interested in a cooperations with Wikidata community. Adding this property to Wikidata could help to improve Wikipedia article and enable the import of free DDB objects to the Wikipedia universe. [[User:Hanshandlampe|Michael Büchner]] ([[User talk:Hanshandlampe|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:35, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{S}}. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
*{{comment}} it seems this is redundant to existing {{P|227}}. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 11:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
**{{oppose}} I guess then it is. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:06, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
**{{comment}} It is redundant. Do you have any suggestion how to realize it a better way? Actually we only need a boolean information and if it's TRUE than we could use the ID of [[Property:P227]]. --[[User:Hanshandlampe|Michael Büchner]] ([[User talk:Hanshandlampe|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
***{{comment}} Well, Wikidata might record several GND identifiers for the same entity: How would we know what the correct one(s) would be for referring to DDB? Or the other way round: The GND might have merged several GND records into one, how quickly would the DDB perform the corresponding adjustments for that "redirection"? So a string valued datatype plus some clever constraints checking ("value usually follows P227" - this would have to be implemented accordingly - seems adequate for me. -- [[User:Gymel|Gymel]] ([[User talk:Gymel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
****{{comment}} Entity Pages of the DDB are based on [http://www.dnb.de/entityfacts Entity Facts]. To support merged GND records we implemented a HTTP redirection for secondary IDs to the primary ID, e.g. [http://hub.culturegraph.org/entityfacts/10142051X 10142051X] -> [http://hub.culturegraph.org/entityfacts/v1/116276932 116276932]. This data service is always up-to-date! In a couple of weeks DDB's entity pages will behave in the same way, so is doesn't matter which ID you'll provide. --[[User:Hanshandlampe|Michael Büchner]] ([[User talk:Hanshandlampe|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
***{{comment}} If you need QIDs for GNDs, you can use [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/beacon.php beacon]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
*{{comment}} I'd be happy if we could continue to work on a possible solution! I'm still sure that the DDB's entity page could be a helpful enrichment for Wikidata. What do you think, are there other supporters? --[[User:Hanshandlampe|Michael Büchner]] ([[User talk:Hanshandlampe|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} GND numbers are used in a vast number of projects. Instead of creating Wikidata properties for each of them see [[w:de:Wikipedia:BEACON]] for an alternative. -- [[User:JakobVoss|JakobVoss]] ([[User talk:JakobVoss|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
**{{comment}} DDB is already providing a [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/beacon/ BEACON file]. Storing the information if there is a DDB entity page at Wikidata was a proposal of the Wikipedia community itself. See [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Antr%C3%A4ge_auf_Botflag#2015-08-19_.E2.80.93_HanshandlampeBot here] for example. Another information we can provide is the number of object we have for every entity. That might be helpful if someone would like to have a ranking of different entity pages (like the links at [https://tools.wmflabs.org/persondata/p/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe Personensuche]) --[[User:Hanshandlampe|Michael Büchner]] ([[User talk:Hanshandlampe|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Per comments.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:46, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Barnivore ID
| pt = 
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Property for alcoholic beverages and whether they are vegan or not  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= alcohol brands
|allowed values		= 0-9, a-z
|source			= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vegetarianism_and_drinks
|example		= {{Q|332378}} → 5574-absolut-vodka
|formatter URL		= http://www.barnivore.com/products/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

It has a clear, unique and defined ID for every brand. Should be useful for automating whether it is vegan or not, with some more comments on it. [[User:Pikolas|Pikolas]] ([[User talk:Pikolas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* '''Comment''' I've no view as to whether or not we should have this property, but I do not think we should use these identifiers for "automating whether [an item] is vegan or not"; we should have a property for that, or indicate the contrary it by showing the relevant ingredients. In any case, this status is liable to change. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
* Comment Would be useful for Open Food Facts (which is being linked to Wikidata)[[User:Teolemon|Teolemon]] ([[User talk:Teolemon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

{{not done}} Lack of support.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = New York Times Semantic Concept
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = The New York Times associates Semantic Concepts, representing people, places, organizations and descriptors, with articles.  These concepts are exposed both through metadata embedded in the HTML of articles as well as through its [http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api Semantic API].  In some cases, the internal New York Times Semantic Concepts are related to the linked data cloud through an interface provided at [ http://data.nytimes.com/ data.nytimes.com ] and/or the Semantic API.
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= none
|datatype		= string
|domain			= people, organizations, places, descriptors
|allowed values		= string with a mandatory qualifier which is one of "nytd_geo", "nytd_per", "nytd_org", "nytd_des"
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
|example		= {{Q|76}} → "Obama, Barack" with a qualifier of "nytd_per"
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= qualifier must be one of "nytd_geo", "nytd_per", "nytd_org", "nytd_des"
|robot and gadget jobs	= Many concepts are already related to Wikipedia items by the New York Times Semantic API, a bot could automatically import this data.
}}

;Motivation

Being able to associate New York Times articles with semantic concepts opens up an avenue for many third party applications to interact with their data.  The Times has already associated a subset of their controlled vocabulary with Wikipedia items, so part of the work is already done. [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] ([[User talk:Thinkcontext|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:40, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{question}}. Do we have a way of automatically choosing a formatter URL based on the nytd_ qualifier? [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{question}} [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] I don't understand the part of the qualifiers. "nytd_geo", "nytd_per", "nytd_org", "nytd_des" are the qualifier property or the value? If they are qualifier properties what should be the value in the example? If they are qualifier values which qualifier property should be used? -- [[User:Agabi10|Agabi10]] ([[User talk:Agabi10|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:* [[User:Agabi10|Agabi10]] I admit, I am a little confused about how best to express the NYTimes Semantic Concept as a property. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] makes a good suggestion, but I am a bit of a newb here and could use some advice.  [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] ([[User talk:Thinkcontext|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC) 
*{{question}} would not four properties, one for each of the concept types, be better? [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 22:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' The NYT website cited gives http://data.nytimes.com/47452218948077706853 as the URL for its record for Barrack Obama. We would do better to store the value "47452218948077706853" (as a string) with the formatter URL "<nowiki>http://data.nytimes.com/$1"</nowiki>. The qualifier is available as A URL ("<nowiki>http://data.nytimes.com/elements/nytd_per</nowiki>") from the former URL, and so need not be stored by us. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

:* [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] There are a couple issue with this.  data.nytimes.com is incomplete, and, as far as I can tell, unmaintained for some years.  Second, the identifier it uses is not exposed in the article metadata unlike their Semantic Concept.  I think its important to be able to use an identifier exposed in the html of the article, this would enable browser extensions to, say, notify the user of political donations by the entities discussed in the article.  I don't object to having a separate property for the data.nytimes identifier, but I think there is value for having one for the Semantic Concept. [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] ([[User talk:Thinkcontext|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

::<s>{{S}} Andy's suggestion. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</s>
*{{ping|Thinkcontext|Pigsonthewing}} what is the status of this? [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 13:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:* [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] It doesn't sound like anyone likes my original idea, though perhaps I didn't express it well.  The alternate proposal to use the data.nytimes id, I think has problems, as I commented. {{unsigned|thinkcontext}}
:**I think the idea has merit, but your suggested implementation could be improved upon. I was hoping to spur some more comment here to see if proposing three properties as I suggested above would get any interest. I agree with you about data.nytimes, and don't support that suggestion. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 20:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:*** Thanks for the effort to move this forward.  I'm fine with your suggestion of multiple properties if that would bring others on board.  The NYTimes has done the hard work of associating these concepts with the Linked Data Cloud, I think it would be an easy way for Wikidata to add value by supporting it. [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] ([[User talk:Thinkcontext|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
:**** I suggest five properties: four for concept names where concept types are known (type String for properties nytd_geo for locations, nytd_per for people, nytd_org for organizations, and nytd_des for descriptors), as well as type Number concept_uri for numeric URIs. Wikidata entities should have at most one of the concept names, and can also have a concept_uri. Since the Times has already done the work of associating nytd_geo/Kansas with {{Q|1558}} via sameAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas, we can bot-import that data. Five properties also works well since there are five specific formatter/query URLs. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

:* I marked this proposal as withdrawn given the new proposals listed below from [[User:Thinkcontext|Thinkcontext]] to replace this one. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = J. Paul Getty Museum object id
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2582
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = identifier assigned to a work of art by the J. Paul Getty Museum
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= works of art
|allowed values		=  \d+
|source			= http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/
|example		= {{Q|20178648}} → [http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/263156 263156]
|formatter URL		= http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Add to Mix'n'Match ??
}}

;Motivation

Decent amount of info about the artwork. Images (even Deep Zoom) available under a very liberal [http://www.getty.edu/about/opencontent.html open content license]: "to be used for any purpose. No permission is required". To complement the previous proposal. --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
I'm not sure a new property would add a lot. All items are already linked using {{P|973}}. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

* {{s}} - I also thought, we need this property. There will come the entries (I'm working on it!) and {{P|973}} will not help. We definetly need this, and too for the MET, British Museum, Arachne, SMP Berlin, MfA Boston and so on. There WILL come thousands, tenthousands, maybe hundredthousands of entries. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:14, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Vladimir Alexiev|Multichill|Marcus Cyron}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Regions of France
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = for administrative regions of France
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= {{Para|subdivision_name1}} in [[:en:Template:Infobox settlement]]
|datatype		= item
|example		= {{Q|12736}} => {{Q|18578267}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= See motivation
}}

;Motivation
Was trying to get used to working with wiki tools. So started looking for bot requests to fill. I have been working on [[:en:Wikipedia:Bot requests#New French regions on 1 January]]. At first I was trying to do it just using pure text replaces. But this is not ideal because the program would need rerun if the data was needed again. Would be better to just use the property value for the page. Using wikidata was suggested [[:en:Module talk:Wikidata#Suggested test case: New French Regions|here]]  by [[User:RexxS]] Thanks for any help you can give me. Looking at the preview it looks like I am messing up the syntax for the request some how. Still going to post [[User:Lonjers|Lonjers]] ([[User talk:Lonjers|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{Com}} Isn't this {{P|131}}? Also, what do you mean by "item id for Saône-et-Loire"? {{Q|12736}}? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
** Thanks for the response. Yes I meant {{Q|12736}}. Not sure why I did not find it in search. Anyway maybe that is what should be used instead of making a new property. Was confused because of the country property. Made me assume you need for example a US state property or a US country property. But using the generic one seems to make more sense than adding all these specific ones that will be different for every country. Not sure how to use this to meet my end goal though. It seems to be easy to use {{P|131}} to fill in the region in the info box for the article for  {{Q|12736}}. But I am not sure how you could get wikipedia to follow the recursive hierarchy to fill in the region for say {{Q|931649}}. You could fill in its Caton(the next level up in the administrative hierarchy using {{P|131}}. And you can fill in the country using the country property. But no idea how you would be able to get the region into its wikipedia article other than by adding a region property or updating wikipedia’s code. Let me know if I should just remove this request if it does not make sense to try do this. [[User:Lonjers|Lonjers]] ([[User talk:Lonjers|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
***I think others are working on the hierarchy-of-administrative regions issue, so let's wait for more comments. I've fixed the example, above. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
**** Cool yea it seems like a bod idea to add this property to me now though. The better solution would be support for traversing the wikidata hierarchy on wikipedia. Would love to work on this though if you could point me in the right direction. [[User:Lonjers|Lonjers]] ([[User talk:Lonjers|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{O}} Use {{P|131}}: {{claim|Q12736|P131|Q18578267}}.  While establishing the region for an entity such as {{Q|931649}} does require a chain of queries to follow until one gets to region, the alternative of listing every step in hierarchy for every entity would require hundreds of properties and a massive increase in the number of statements that would have to be added and maintained.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Lack of support.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = version
| ar = الإصدار
| nl = versie
| de = Version
| fr = version
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Version of a work such as records, plays, books
  }}
|datatype		= string, number
|domain			= references
|source			= external reference
|example		= {{Q|283350}}  {{P|352}} "04637" → "237"
}}

;Motivation

I specifically need this property to capture the provenance on Protein items in Wikidata. Content is retrieved from [http://www.uniprot.org Uniprot]. Records in Uniprot are constantly being updated and with each new update a protein record gets a new version number. Currently, the version is stored using the property reference URL (P854) e.g. http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/P04637.txt?version=237. We would like to be able to store a version of a source as a proper value, not being part of a URL. Although this example is highly domain specific, I believe a version to be applicable on other domains as well. I first thought edition to be a prime candidate to capture the sequence of a release, however, on second thoughts a version applies an updated item on the same concept, whereas edition suggests the same context but could differ on the context (e.g. A next edition of a newspaper, doesn't report an update on news reported in the previous edition  [[User:Andrawaag|Andrawaag]] ([[User talk:Andrawaag|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:37, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
: {{comment}} Hmm. {{P|393}} might give the meaning you want. Or {{P|1545}}. [[User:Runner1928|Runner1928]] ([[User talk:Runner1928|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:49, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Redundant.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon digital ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2580
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = <!-- DESCRIPTION IN ENGLISH -->
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages-->
  }}
|subject item           = Q18616550
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= {{Q|5}}
|allowed values		= 
|source			= http://www.bbl-digital.de/
|example		= {{Q|15065137}} → [http://www.bbl-digital.de/eintrag/Wreden-Felix-Eduard-1841-1878/ Wreden-Felix-Eduard-1841-1878]
|formatter URL		= http://www.bbl-digital.de/eintrag/$1/
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= [[User:EdgarsBot|My bot]] can import values from Wikipedias
}}

;Motivation
Useful for Baltic Germans. Source used in several Wikipedias. [[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{s}} - definetly yes. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{s}} -- [[User:Gymel|Gymel]] ([[User talk:Gymel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:03, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Edgars2007|Marcus Cyron|Gymel}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = has phoneme
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2587
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = the language's phonology includes this sound
  }}
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|34770}}
|allowed values		= <s>{{Q|8183}}</s> {{Q|202064}}
|example		= {{Q|1860}} → {{Q|201817}}, {{Q|332019}}, {{Q|463543}}, ... (22 others)
|robot and gadget jobs	= This data could concievably be imported from various WP articles or various online databases.
}}

;Motivation

Sounds not used in all dialects could be marked with {{P|518}}. I'm not sure what property to suggest for marking Allophony, it may require its own property (e.g. "Allophone of"). [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:00, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
It may be interesting having that property, but how would we handle different phonological analysis? Moreover, Wikipedia does not have articles about phonemes, but articles about phones. I'm a bit skeptical about this property, but we should discuss it. --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
:I only recently learned the precise distinction between phones and phonemes, so it is quite possible that the above wording should be changed.
:I had not previously encountered differring phonological analysis. I shall have to think on this. [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::{{P|1310}}? [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::: Mmmh, not sure. It may be one phoneme only that is disputed, or more than one, and different sources may dispute a different set. It can get quite complex. We could however rely on an arbitrary external phonological database and stick to that, like [http://phoible.org Phoible]. Yeah, I think choosing one database should work. What do you think? Again, the problem remains that wikipedia does not have articles for phonemes and the same phoneme label could actually match different phonetic labels, so it wouldn't be safe, we need a proper work around I cannot think of... --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::: Oh yeah, also, there won't be a page for some phonemes because they are modifications of phones which are very unlike to be listed as items here or pages in Wikipedia. Like long vowels for example. I think we should concentrate first on standard phones, and then maybe move to phonemes. --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Perhaps this could be another use case of the "secondary articulation" discussed at [[Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Linguistics#property_idea]]
::::e.g. "Language X":
::::*"phonology contains" => "voiced dental fricative":
:::::*"secondary articulation" => {{Q|19773274}}
::::I have also corrected the above to phone and made consonant and vowel subclasses of phone rather than phoneme. [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::::: What if the language has two vowels that differ only in length? We would insert twice the same item as a value of this property and we would add a qualifier to the two values ("short" and "long" respectively)? --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::I would say yes. [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]], [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]]  I would say no. Instead have two item - a long version and a short version of the vowel - treat them as different phones/phonemes. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{support}} I'm not familiar with the linguistics but I can see that this property would allow us to make useful statements about languages and maybe about accented versions of those languages (in many cases we have separate items for these). [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:: We don't have separate items for IPA symbols with diacritics, I'm afraid you're mixing "letters" and "sounds" here. --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
*{{Neutral}} I'm not against this property in principle, I'm just concerned about its practical application, as noted above. But we could try it out. --[[User:SynConlanger|SynConlanger]] ([[User talk:SynConlanger|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
* {{question}} Would {{P|2283}} and {{P|1535}} be sufficient to do this:
:: {{claim|Q1860|P2283|Q201817}}
:: {{claim|Q201817|P1535|Q1860}}
:: These would seem to fit the bill, am I missing something?  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
::: I would be willing to use that instead. (Although using {{P|1535}} may not be advisable, given the number of languages) [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:48, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: They would sort of fit the bill but I believe for specialised concepts and domains like this it is justified to have specialist properties instead of using these general properties. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
*: But these statements will require qualifiers. Because language may use also specific tenses, specific cases, specific aspects and so on. --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:35, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
*:: Those are aspects of morphology, which would be dealt with using other properties. [[User:Popcorndude|Popcorndude]] ([[User talk:Popcorndude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:41, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
* {{s}} but I don't think ''applies to'' is useful if we have items for the dialects. Just put the statements in the dialect item. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 20:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = DNB
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = withdrawn
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = entry in the Dictionary of National Biography
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = people primarily
|allowed values         = items for DNB entries at Wikisource
|source                 = items with {{P|1343}} and such entries
|example                = {{Q|452639}} → {{Q|Q19019224}}
|robot and gadget jobs  = KrBot for constraint checks
}}

*{{support}} The current solution with {{P|1343}} (outcome of a previous proposal) doesn't allow efficient constraint checks. P1343 being used on a mix of items. Obviously, it could be a "subproperty" of P1343. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:31, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
*:What kind of constraint checks is needed? -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{support}} Good idea to do it this way. [[User:Jonathan Groß|Jonathan Groß]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Groß|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{support}} seems reasonable enough. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC) 
::also, {{ping|Charles Matthews}} [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. This limits DNB entries to the first edition and first two supplements. i.e. those currently in the US public domain and so on Wikisource. There are nearly ten further DNB volumes (decade supplements, plus one volume for people who were afterthoughts), before the ODNB arrived in 2004 with actual identifiers. Therefore this property is somewhat artificial from a bibliographical point of view. In other words, one can imagine cases where {{P|1343}} would still have to be used for the DNB. I don't object, but the proposal has to be seen as ''ad hoc''. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} All encyclopedias should be handle same way. I prefer the solution with {{P|1343}}, which allow to add new encyclopedia without a request a new property. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} per discussions [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/31#DNB entry at Wikisource]] and [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/31#Catholic Encyclopedia entry at Wikisource]] --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
**{{ping|Pasleim}}: in 6 months, such a <s>template</s>property hasn't seen the day and, independently of the others, I think the mere size of DNB warrants the ease offered by specific property. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 00:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} as per Pasleim--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I am quite comfortable with the "described by" approach as something like enWP can pull a count and information about references. The issue I see at the moment is that the property has been used in two ways.
*# to the ''overarching work'' where it is a non-specific reference, ie. such a work contains an article (and no more detail), though detail of vol. and page, or article could be given and is often used in the reverse way with "published in &hellip;"
*# to the ''article'' (as has been done with DNB articles)
:So it is a bit of a mess. The means to resolve that is to work out which it is to be, or if both are acceptable then how they are differentiated. To me it makes sense to have a qualifier to describe the parent work of the article.  We also need to consider how this can work, such as at the WSes, which have the articles and need to run quick/simple data pulls to the their wiki, not wanting to run high-powered queries.<p>So maybe it is needs a fuller exploration of what is looking to be achieved and whether we have the components in place rather than some of the simpler "I don't like it" responses. &nbsp;— [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 03:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
::The combination of {{P|1343}} with {{P|958}} can be used as a statement with qualifier and also within a reference claim. Specifying the overarching work (recte: specific edition of that work?) has huge merits as previous discussions emphasized, it`'s that work which allows accessing the quality of the reference. Infering this from information contained in a target item might be currently beyond the capabilities of most data consumers. However ''when'' we have specific items for entries in reference works they usually have additional statements which must be accessible, too. A minimal approach could consist of introducing a '''qualifier only''' property "reference item" to be used together with {{P|1343}} (in both situations). One probably will not be able to prohibit use of this item in contexts without overarching work of "dictionary" type, but IMHO use for journal articles or even individual blog entries seems to be appropriate. -- [[User:Gymel|Gymel]] ([[User talk:Gymel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You can specify this on the property definition page. Just as we do for most other online works. No need to repeat it on every P31:Q5. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 11:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|billinghurst}} This situation is appear due to [[Wikidata:WikiProject DNB#Examples : Subject of DNB entry]] recomends an '''improper use of P1343'''. I consider that this should be coverted to use with {{P|248}} as qualifiers. I can run [[User:SKbot|my bot]] to fix it. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Sergey kudryavtsev|Gymel|Jura1}} I am not sure what any of you are arguing in your later comments. I would suggest that would be resolved by examples of what would be right, and what is wrong. For P1343 which is right and which is wrong? &nbsp;— [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 09:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
::::Supposedly the current use for P1343 is the outcome of a lengthy debate, thus I don't see a point of doing that change.
::::It's a non-issue if we use a separate property for DNB.  --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:32, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

::::I'm not principally opposing a dedicated property, but my proposal would be:
::::{{C|Q452639|P1343|Q15987216|P478|"45"|P958|‘Plantagenet,’ Edward|reference item|Q19019224}}
::::So P1343 gives only a gist from what's recorded in more detail in Q19019224 (questionable use of {{P|792}} there IMHO) and emphasizes the broader publishing context of the source. This is still a bit more indirect than in other cases without Wikidsource edition, where we appreciate a direct web link to the article via an additional qualifier {{C||P854|https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati45stepuoft#page/401/}}. -- [[User:Gymel|Gymel]] ([[User talk:Gymel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

::::{{ping|billinghurst}} ''For P1343 which is right and which is wrong?'' — Usage rules of P1343 described in [[Property talk:P1343]], of course. DNB is stored at enwikisource, so it should follow the second example in [[Property talk:P1343]]. I consider that the property usage rules have a highest priority over any project rules. Jura1 told some kind of "debates". But the property usage rules has scope whole Wikidata. There isn't even any notification at [[Property talk:P1343]] about this consensus.
::::The motivation to use a qualfier. In the fact {{P|248}} as qualfier optimizes a retrieving information for a computer programs. If article item be a value of P1343, then a program code is obliged to inspect a claims in all item stored as P1343 values. But if a article item stored as a qualfier value for known values (such as {{Q|15987216}}, {{Q|602358}} etc), then a program code may search only claims of P1343 with values needed to its purpose.
::::The logic P1343 with {{P|248}} and {{P|P854}} as qualfiers is already programmed in LUA-modules at least in ruwiki and ruwikisource. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't currently work for DNB in ruwiki (with any approach), but a fix is available if a new property would be created. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

{{comment}} Now ruwiki shows DNB article links from wikidata (e.g. [[:w:ru:Мур, Эдвард]], [[:w:ru:Льюис Кэрролл]] and [[:w:ru:Мередит, Джордж]], see at the end of page). [[User:putnik|putnik]] do [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%3AExternal_links&type=revision&diff=76241414&oldid=76170194 this] on my request. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] ([[User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:38, 5 February 2016 (UTC)



=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Baseball-Reference.com ID
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = identifier for a Major League Baseball player assigned by Baseball-Reference.com
 }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= Wikidata property related to sport (Q21818626)
|datatype		= External identifier
|domain			= 
|allowed values		= 
|source			= [[:en:MLB.com|MLB.com]]
|example		= {{Q|3090378}} → 545361
|formatter URL		= http://m.mlb.com/player/$1
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= None
}}

;Motivation

I would like to add this for each player as an identifier for a Major League Baseball player <small>&nbsp;&ndash; {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned/text|1=Mattdorville|2=19:48, 2 March 2016‎}}</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

;{{int:Talk}}

{{Ping|Mattdorville}} {{Not done}}. {{P|1825}} already exists. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = founder of (alias: founded)
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = entity that the subject of this item founded
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages -->
 }}
|subject item           = 
|datatype		= item
|domain			= {{Q|5}}, {{Q|43229}}
|allowed values		= {{Q|43229}}, {{Q|618123}}, {{Q|811979}}, {{Q|35127}}
|source			= <!-- external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc. -->
|example		= {{Q|182363}} → {{Q|378014}}, {{Q|432812}} → {{Q|1115728}}, {{Q|514218}} → {{Q|4755706}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= replace incorrect uses of {{P|112}} with this property
}}

;Motivation
This is the inverse of {{P|112}} but I've discovered that there are lots of incorrect uses of that property to do exactly this job. I found the first example while looking to improve {{Q|182363}} and the other two examples were from a very quick look at [[Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P112]] (see also [[Property talk:P112]] for comments about other constraint violations). [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 11:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
:{{withdrawn}} I've just spotted [[#founder of]] has already been proposed elsewhere on this page so I'm withdrawing this proposal as a duplicate. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 11:35, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Geni.com Profile ID
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2600
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Identifier for a profile on the Geni.com genealogy website
  }}
|subject item           = Q2621214
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = External identifier

|domain                 = {{Q|5}}
|allowed values         = string pattern containing [A-Z][a-z][0-9][-][/]
|source                 = Geni.com website
|example                = {{Q|9682}} → [http://www.geni.com/people/Queen-Elizabeth-II-of-the-United-Kingdom/6000000003075071669 Queen-Elizabeth-II-of-the-United-Kingdom/6000000003075071669]
|formatter URL          = http://www.geni.com/people/$1
|filter                 = The string contains one [/].  All characters before the [/] are [A-Z][a-z][0-9][-], and all characters after the string are [0-9]. No limit on length.
|robot and gadget jobs  = Not required, but Geni does have [http://www.geni.com/platform/developer/help/api?path=profile&version=1 an API] which can be used to cross-check data such as birth date, etc if anyone with the required skills is interested.    
}}

;Motivation

Geni.com is a genealogy website with over 100 million profiles - all connected, including a large number of notable people (who would have Wikipedia/Wikidata entries).  The website can calculate relationships between any two people on the tree (examples: [http://i.imgur.com/zRnHIYs.png 1] [http://i.imgur.com/64hDvJu.png 2] [http://i.imgur.com/uNPpz66.png 3] [http://i.imgur.com/CEjsS5R.png 4]), although this is limited to paid members so may not be directly useful to Wikidata at this point in time.  For sample profile URLs, check [http://www.geni.com/people the current trending names on Geni].  Disclosure, I am a paid member of Geni, but have no other affiliation.

This is my first proposal for a new property, please be gentle! -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] ([[User talk:Chuq|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{Support}} It is also on my list to suggest. It has a good landing page and you can add documents and images. If you can link yourself back 5 generations in Europe into the forest (the name for merged genealogy trees) you can see how your are related to just about anyone of European ancestry. As duplicate records get merged Geni keeps a redirect. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
* Datatype changed to "External identifier". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} Very useful. --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Chuq|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Pigsonthewing|Edgars2007}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = superhuman feature or ability
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
| nl = gave
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2563
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = superhuman, supernatural, or paranormal abilities that the subject exhibits
  }}
|subject item           = Q1347367
|infobox parameter	= "powers" in [[:en:template:Infobox comics character and title]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= 
|allowed values		= Abilities listed at [[:en:List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction]], though not limited to the list
|source			= [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superhuman_features_and_abilities_in_fiction List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction]
|example		= {{Q|929285}} → {{Q|21451555}}
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

Would be nice for items about super-characters. You can move this proposal if it's in the wrong place. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 01:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{S}}. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{s}} [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}} as a broader 'ability' property.  I see no reason to limit it to superheroes and their powers, but instead any notable abilities of an entity ought to be able to use this property. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
*:Like {{Q|199657}}? [[User:Jonathan Groß|Jonathan Groß]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Groß|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::If it is notable that an item is capable of {{Q|199657}} then I would think so. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, but how would we determine if something is notable or not? Someone could add "ability > reading", "ability > speaking", "ability > walking" and so on to all person items ... what would we do about it? Revert those edits? [[User:Jonathan Groß|Jonathan Groß]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Groß|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Fictional characters only, That's how you solve that problem. Also, perhaps make an item called something like "''superhuman'' ability", then set up a constraint, and there you go. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 19:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You do not see such kind of information in regular Wikipedia articles. I see no reason to worry that Wikidata would be any differnt. That means the notability test can be exactly the same as for Wikipedia. --[[User:Flukas|Flukas]] ([[User talk:Flukas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{o}} [[:w:WP:FANCRUFT|Fancruft]]--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
*{{S}}, but only in the narrow confines of superheroes; re-labelled as "superpower" or suchlike. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
*It should be restricted to fictional entities regardless. I think I also agree with Kopiersperre. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:54, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} even in the broader sense. --[[User:Flukas|Flukas]] ([[User talk:Flukas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:09, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|AmaryllisGardener|Joshbaumgartner|Jonathan Groß|Flukas|Kopiersperre|Thierry Caro}}{{ping|Mbch331|Pigsonthewing|Izno}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = National-Football-Teams.com player id
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = player id at National-Football-Teams.com
  }} 
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= pid in [[:en:template:NFT_player]] 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			= human
|allowed values		= numerical value  
|source			= the website or wikipedia templates
|example		= {{Q|Q10520}} → [http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/2189.html 2189]
|formatter URL		= http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/$1.html
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= bots could be created to import from templates
}}

;Motivation

National Football Teams (http://www.national-football-teams.com/) seems to be a useful resource for information about domestic and international football (soccer). There are templates that use the website on various language wikipedias, and at least the english template is widely used (18263 transclusions) [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:41, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{Com}} Suggest labelling as, say, "National-Football-Teams.com ID", to avoid ambiguity. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:05, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
** That seems sensible. I've made it player id, as there might be other ids we could use from the website. [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
*** Even better. Thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
**** I withdraw my proposal in favour of this one for the same database as I think it is a better proposal: [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#National-Football-Teams.com_player_id]] [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Batting style
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = whether a cricketer bats left or right handed
  }}
|infobox parameter	= "batting" in [[:en:template:Infobox cricketer]]
|datatype		= item
|domain			= cricketers ({{P|106}}:{{Q|12299841}})
|allowed values		= {{Q|3039938}}, {{Q|789447}}
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
|example		= {{Q|3381076}} → {{Q|789447}}, {{Q|982121}} → {{Q|3039938}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= import from en.wp infoboxes
}}

;Motivation

This is a defining feature for cricketers. See also {{P|423}} and {{P|741}} for other sports and {{P|552}} generally (which is usually but no necessarily the same as batting style). [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 15:32, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
: I suggest to merge {{P|423}} and {{P|741}} and define it as a general property of handedness in sports. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:15, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
: Merge and use the existing items, per Pasleim. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Two issues with the above comments
# Maybe it is more the time for those who have created the properties to assist in their redefinition. If one looks at the talk page for the proposed property to change it is very specific in the components that apply. For a general user to go and to modify this could be problematic, and such a change needs some level of imprimatur or governing and declared process.  Someone clueless making that redefinition is simply going to be problematic.
# What is the cricketer bats right-handed, and plays tennis left-handed.  It is quite well-known for even professional cricketers to bat one side, and bowl the other  (eg. Michael Clarke) so without some delicate redesigning of the property, the simple statement of merge is a simple fail. &nbsp;— [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 04:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
#: Use qualifier to define how the value is applied. [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} [[User:Snipre|Snipre]] ([[User talk:Snipre|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

{{not done}} Recommended to use other properties/qualifier.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis|anchor=en|en=team caps for local leagues}} ===

{{Property proposal
|status            = not done
|description= A number of appearances of player for every team he played with at local leauges.
|infobox parameter= [[:en:template:Infobox football biography]] '''caps''' 
|datatype= number
|domain= person
|allowed values= 0-1000
|source= External reference, Wikipedia list article
|example= 
|robot and gadget jobs= they should be allowed
|proposed by= [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 01:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
}}
I am concerned about the name of this property. Different Wikipedia have different methods of choosing which matches do and don't go in the infobox, and I am take-my-car-if-I'm-wrong confident that we will not get a uniform consensus. Some Wikipedia go for the regular season of the league only, others for league + playoffs, others for league + playoffs + cups, and there are a couple of other deviations from these main categories. If we don't name this precisely enough, we will create a mess &ndash; English/German/French/Italian speaking editors would probably end up doing different things with the same parameter, and end users at individual wikis would have to painstakingly trawl through the values to work out which one is suitable for their wiki's purposes. I would suggest different properties for league and cup competitions, potentially one more for playoffs, plus one for total appearances. It may seem like overkill, but those three/four parameters would cover almost every conceivable use for this data. —[[User talk:WaitingForConnection|WFC]]—  07:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:I change the name. Team caps for local leagues. Let see if this could be done, and then we could propose for cups, international legues etc. [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 12:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Bonsoir, excuse me but i'm best in french :) Le problème est que chaque wikipedia fonctionne différement, les francophones comptent championnat + coupes dans l'infobox, les anglophones seulement le championnat, le problème vient également des sources, des sites ont parfois des divergences notamment pour les joueurs du passé, même chose pour les clubs : la différence entre club professionnel et amateur est faite dans les infobox joueurs dans fr.wikipedia pas dans en.wikipedia, les équipes B ne sont également pas indiquées  sur fr. wki (sauf pour les pays où le club B est une filiale, exemple l'Espagne)--[[User:Remy34|Remy34]] ([[User talk:Remy34|talk]]) 19:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Ok. What do you suggest? We can and must find a global solution what we want to have on wikidata about team caps and goals. It would be really helpfull for users all over the world. [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 20:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: Je n'ai pas de suggestion ni d'idée, s'il existait un organisme central des statistiques de footballeur ce serait beaucoup plus simple...--[[User:Remy34|Remy34]] ([[User talk:Remy34|talk]]) 07:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: une suggestion si recenser les sources statistiques de qualité pour remplir les données concernat les matchs - buts en championnat et dans les autres compétitions (coupes, play offs)--[[User:Remy34|Remy34]] ([[User talk:Remy34|talk]]) 21:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

{{oppose}} Why a property so specific ? In my opinion, it would be more appropriate to have a property "Total matches played" that could be used as a qualifier of the property {{p|54}} but also as a qualifier of a new property "takes part in" when the value is a sport competition.  With this structure, the "Total league caps" property is no longer needed and the syntax is simplified. Same goes for the "Team goals for local leagues" and "Total leagues goals" properties : a "Total points scored" property should do the trick and could also be used for other sports than only hockey, football, handball and water-polo. [[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
* Brought out from 'pending' for discussion.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:39, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} {{P|1350}} already exists and should be sufficient. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:39, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

===  {{TranslateThis|anchor=en|en=team goals for local leagues}} ===

{{Property proposal
|status            = not done
|description= A number of goals of player for every team he played with at local leauges.
|infobox parameter= [[:en:template:Infobox football biography]] '''goals''' 
|datatype= number
|domain= person
|allowed values= 0-300
|source= External reference, Wikipedia list article
|example= 
|robot and gadget jobs= they should be allowed
|proposed by= [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 01:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
}}
My comments at team caps apply equally here. —[[User talk:WaitingForConnection|WFC]]—  07:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
: Same for me. My comments at team caps also apply here. [[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:22, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
* Sorted from [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/1]] for discussion.  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} Use {{P|1351}} instead. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis|anchor=en|en=total leagues caps}}===
{{Property proposal
|status            = not done
|description= The sum of the appearances of player for all the teams he played with (for former player, for local leauges).
|infobox parameter= [[:en:template:Infobox football biography]] '''totalcaps''' 
|datatype= number
|domain= person
|allowed values= 0-1000
|source= External reference, Wikipedia list article
|example= 
|robot and gadget jobs= they should be allowed
|proposed by= [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 01:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
}}
* {{oppose}} See my comments about "Team caps".--[[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
* Sorted from [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/1]] for discussion.
* {{O}} Use {{P|1350}} instead. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


==={{TranslateThis|anchor=en|en=total leagues goals}}===
{{Property proposal
|status            = not done
|description= The sum of the goals of player for all the teams he played with (for former player, for local leauges).
|infobox parameter= [[:en:template:Infobox football biography]] '''totalgoals''' 
|datatype= number
|domain= person
|allowed values= 0-1000
|source= External reference, Wikipedia list article
|example= 
|robot and gadget jobs= they should be allowed
|proposed by= [[User:Xaris333|Xaris333]] ([[User talk:Xaris333|talk]]) 01:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
}}
My comments at team caps apply to a certain extent here, in the sense that if we have multiple parameters for appearances, there would be multiple relevant totals. —[[User talk:WaitingForConnection|WFC]]—  07:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
: {{oppose}} See my comments about "Team caps".--[[User:Casper Tinan|Casper Tinan]] ([[User talk:Casper Tinan|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
* Sorted from [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/1]] for discussion.
* {{O}} Use {{P|1351}} instead. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = first name identical to this family name
| es = nombre idéntico a este apellido
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = given first name that is the same as a last name. Use on items for last names.
| es = nombre que es igual a un apellido dado. Úsese en apellidos
  }}
|subject item           = <!-- item corresponding to the concept represented by the property, if applicable; example: item ORCID (Q51044) for property ORCID (P496) -->
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= wikibase-item
|domain			= surnames/family names
|allowed values		= items for given first names
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|18001608}} (family name): {{Q|16281827}} (given name)
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Checking and correcting the "inverse of" relation with {{P|1533}}
}}

;Motivation

As an inverse of {{P|1533}} to make it easier navigation between both of them. Actually when a surname is added as a given name it can be hard finding which element should be connected there instead, when it is easy to find it in the other way. [[User:Agabi10|Agabi10]] ([[User talk:Agabi10|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{support}} for symmetry: if you like having it ;). To avoid having them mixed up or merged, P1533 is generally sufficient. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{oppose}} as creating inverse properties for their own sake bloats the database, makes items take longer to load and increases workload on contributors.  Ideally, WD will eventually have support for true inverse properties which don't need to be individually entered and maintained, but instead automatically mirror to facilitate navigation within WD.  I doubt that is coming any time soon, but creating a bunch of inverse properties just to facilitate navigation within WD is not a good plan.  They are sometimes warranted, but in this case, I would have to say that {{P|1533}} is sufficient.  Note also that if there is both a family name and a given name that are the same, they should both be instances of a general name item that covers all applications of the name and this will give you a way to click-navigate from one to the other. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:40, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
* Sorted to person from unsorted. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:41, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{question}} [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] I think that I don't understand what you mean. Even if in the future the software mirrors the symmetric properties still two properties will be required to know which property has to be mirrored with each of them (or a way to have more than one name in each property and choose the correct one, or even a renaming of properties to "name-surname relation" to make sense in both of the elements). Also I don't understand how {{P|1533}} can be sufficient if the one I know is the surname and I don't know if a name element exists. Also having one element that combines the names and surnames spelled in the same way as you suggest to make it easier the navigation wouldn't bloat the database more than creating one property for that? As far as I know an element and a property are both one row in the database, and while the same property can be used in more than one element a new element will be needed for each couple. -- [[User:Agabi10|Agabi10]] ([[User talk:Agabi10|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
** {{ping|Joshbaumgartner}} Still waiting an answer to my question. -- [[User:Agabi10|Agabi10]] ([[User talk:Agabi10|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
** {{ping|Agabi10}} Regardless of whether or not such a technical development ever happens, I oppose this property as unnecessary bloat.  In fact, I don't even see a purpose for {{P|1533}} in a structured database, much less a needless reflection of it.  However, it is there and if the structure of given and family names being subsets of a general name item isn't handy for you and you have to put a direct link between the two, then {{P|1533}} would do it.  There is no need to have to enter that information on both family and given name items.  I'm not sure I understand your question about knowing the surname but not the other, since even with your proposal, you would have to know both family and given name to be able to create the statement, and if you know both then why not use {{P|1533}}?  [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
** {{ping|Joshbaumgartner}} I agree with you in the reasoning that this property and {{P|1533}} would be completely useless, but only in a state of the database where there is no type constraint violations in where a surname was used as a value for the name property or in the other way. I know that the people who adds the properties to any of the name/surname elements (even if it is me or any other) will have to know, at least for a moment, that there is an element created for the other one to be able to put the property. The thing is that if after them someone tries to correct constraint violations related to elements with that property where the incorrect one is put they will find it easier. <br />I also know that the ideal solution would be that the suggestion drop down shows first a value with a name instance for a name property, and the same happens with all of the other properties, which, as far as I know at this moment is not necessarily true. This would decrease the number of violations. Having correct names and descriptions for all the entities in all the languages would also help, but that's too idealistic. Being able to search for a value without having to use external tools (even if Magnus' tools are great) would also make it all of this easier to find elements with {{P|1533}} with the current element as a value.<br /> As you can see I know that there are more ways to solve it that are also technically possible, but at this specific moment I think that an inverse property is the most feasible one. At least now I understand better why you are opposing and even if the explanation doesn't make you change your mind at least I hope that now both of us are understanding what the other wanted to make clear. {{unsigned|Agabi10}}
* {{O}} per Josh B. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} first names are commonly used as names, normally not the contrary :/ it would not be ''logical'' - and I agree first name and name being subsets of a general name. :) --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

{{not done}} Lack of support.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = name
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = nom d'usage
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2561
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = name the subject is known by |fr= nom d'usage
  }}
|subject item           = Q82799
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= monolingual text
|domain			= 
|allowed values		= 
|source			= 
|example		= see below
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}
We currently have several name properties which apply to certain specific types of names.  However, sources do not always provide such definition when they provide a name, so there is no way to create a claim for the subject's name and know for sure which property to use.  An educated guess constitutes a certain amount of original research.  A contributor might see 'John Smith' and assume that {{statement||735| John}} and {{statement||734| Smith}} are appropriate, but even as uncontroversial as this may be to a native English speaker, there are many different linguistic constructs for names and many do not conform to first-last format.  Even if we do add properties to cover all of the different classes of name out there, we will still have cases where the exact type is unknown, so we need a super-property that covers all of the name properties:
* Sub-properties of ''name'':  {{P|P735}}, {{P|734}}, {{P|742}}, {{P|1448}}, {{P|1477}}, {{P|225}}, {{P|1843}}, {{P|1950}} (based on a quick search, but more may be out there and more will be created)
There are various ways in which this property can be used:
* Where the source provides a name and it is not specified what class the name/names fall into.
** "His name was Leo Tolstoy."
** {{claim|Q7243| name| Leo Tolstoy}}
** {{claim|Q7243| name| Leo}}
** {{claim|Q7243| name| Tolstoy}}
* Where the source provides a name and what kind of name it is, but there is not an appropriate property for that type of name.
** "Widely known as Leo Tolstoy, he was born Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy, son of Nikolai Ilyich Tolstoy."
** {{claim|Q7243| name|Leo Tolstoy}}
** {{claim|Q7243|P1477|Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy}}
** {{claim|Q7243|P735|Q1745228}}
** {{claim|Q7243| name| Nikolayevich|P794|Q17091404}}
** {{claim|Q7243|P734| Tolstoy}}
In an ideal world, all values would eventually be sorted into appropriate sub-categories as sources are found to substantiate such claims.  The reality is that much of this type of specific detail is not available for some subjects and therefore the overarching property is needed. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*Why not just have a different property for each type of name, instead of the {{P|794}} business? There aren't even a dozen of them, I think. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
** {{ping|Yair rand}} That is what I thought at first, but what do you do when you know it is their name (per your source), but it is not clear what class of name it falls under (because your source does not specify)?  You are left to guess, which is not appropriate for a sourced statement.  The other problem is that not all name classes have their own properties, and it is possible that the community will deem some of them too specific to warrant their own property.  I actually would support a broad set of such properties, but there are cases where the right one does not exist.  However, as I noted above, even if they all did, you still need this property to avoid invalid claims based on guessing. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
*** So, why the broad usage examples? I could support a property for situations where the name type just isn't known, but if you're specifying anyway, I don't see why this should be used. Also, the monolingual datatype is probably wrong. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
**** {{ping|Yair rand}} I'm not sure I understand your question, I am proposing that this be used in exactly that case: where the name type is not known (see the first example I show).  As for monolingual datatype, I'm open as to how to do that better.  Is a simple string a better plan? [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
****: {{Replyto|Joshbaumgartner}} In the second example given above, you list "name <Leo Tolstoy>" along with the given name and family name properties. If the given name and family name are already specified, why the extra statement? Or am I reading the example incorrectly?
****: Regarding datatype, the properties {{P|735}} and {{P|734}} both use the item datatype, which allows for more structured data (along with easier handling of multilingual issues, in my opinion). The "name" property would also need to be item datatype for other name properties to be {{P|1647}} of it, as suggested by Filceolaire below. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::: {{ping|Yair rand}} Maybe the model of my second example won't prove to be how this is used, but even if that proves true, use for the first case is sufficient to warrant creation of this property.  Also, details of how we apply {{P|1647}} is a discussion that does not necessarily relate to whether or not we should have the property.  Making the datatype 'item' would be a huge burden to create an item for every permutation of a full name that might be cited. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::: I don't think I understand the scope of the property. Are the examples above actual statements that would be added? If not, would the item {{Q|7243}} use this property at all? If so, what statements would there be? Could you give some more examples? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
* '''Strong''' {{S}}. We need this as a property for other names to be {{P|1647}} of to use with a "search including subproperties" function - when we finally get one. We need it so that when we specify two given names, three family names, a patronymic (property needed for this) we can show how all these are put together - sometimes birth name isn't right for this. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}} - Per Joe's comment immediately above.  Can we add married name to the list, too?  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
* {{s}} per [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]]. Need a generic property where other could be {{P|1647}}, including {{Q|742}}. --[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:53, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
* {{s}} easy to use. --[[User:La femme de menage|La femme de menage]] ([[User talk:La femme de menage|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:33, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}}. Essential. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 00:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Joshbaumgartner|Yair rand|Dirtlawyer1|Hsarrazin|La femme de menage|Thryduulf}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

: {{Ping|La femme de menage}} Tu sais qui a traduit "name" en français ? "nom" en générique ça ne m'a pas l'air de correspondre au fait que toutes les propriétés de nommage deviennent des sous-propriété, ça voudrait dire que le nom de famille est un nom d'usage, ça collerait ? <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 18:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:        {{Ping|Joshbaumgartner|Micru|Filceolaire|Thryduulf|Yair rand|Hsarrazin|Dirtlawyer1|La femme de menage}}  I can see a problem here : the claim that given name is a subproperty of this property : it can't be a subproperty because of a datatype mismatch. It's expected for a subproperty to be of the same dataype than its parent properties, and item datatype is very much not a monolingual type. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 18:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)



=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = married name
| de = Ehename
| fr = nom de femme mariée
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2562
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = married name
  | de = ehenamen
  | fr = nom de femme mariée
  }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= various, often not distinguished from "full name"
|datatype		= monolingual text
|domain			= persons
|allowed values		= text
|source			= external reference, Wikipedia article
|example		= {{Q|6294}} -> Hillary Clinton; Hillary Rodham Clinton; Hillary Rodham-Clinton; Svetlana Andropovna; Maria Garcia de Vega (full married names, per reliable sources)
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

We already have the property "family name," but this does not distinguish between a woman's family name at birth and her later married name(s).  We should have the ability to distinguish between the two.  At present we can only enter married names in the "family name" property without explanation or distinction, or the "also known as" alias field also without explanation or distinction. [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

This is the first time I have made such a request, and I am not familiar with all of the requested information items above.  If you have questions, please ask.  Please be patient with this rookie.  Thanks.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
*Why not just use {{P|734}} with a {{P|580}} qualifier? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
::This works only if you know the wedding day. --[[User:Pasleim|Pasleim]] ([[User talk:Pasleim|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Or year, or any other vague span of time in which the name change may have happened. And if it's completely unknown, one should probably put start date: unknown anyway. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
::::"family name" has datatype 'item' - it links to a surname item. The "married name" property proposed here is like {{P|1477}} in that the actual name is spelled out. This can still have {{P|734}} as a qualifier. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
*{{comment}} just to clarify (as there is no sample), for [[Q6294]] would this read "Clinton" or "Hillary Clinton"? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 07:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:*{{Ping|Jura1}} Well, sir, that's subject to negotiation, but I would suggest that the new property structure should parallel that of the existing "birth name" property, and be a complete name with the language specified.  Married names often vary widely in structure, with the relatively simple taking of the husband's surname (e.g., Hillary Clinton), the creation of a compound name (e.g., Hillary Rodham-Clinton), the use of both husband surname and the wife's maiden surname as a middle name without hyphen (e.g., Hillary Rodham Clinton), a different feminine surname form in Russian and several other Slavic languages (e.g., Svetlana Andropovna), or Spanish married combined name forms (Hillary Rodham de Clinton).  I'm sure there are numerous other cultural and linguistic variations with which I am unfamiliar, combined with what is often the complete choice of the parties in the relatively new scenario of same-sex marriages.  I know that in several countries, such as Germany, the format of married names has been strictly regulated by law, while in most English-speaking countries, the only limitations are social customs, which have been evolving toward greater flexibility and variation since the 1960s.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
: {{comment}} yet one more naming property ? It's already complicate to choose a property in the list. I {{oppose}}. Use "begin date" / "end date" on the (approximate) mariage date and preferred rank on the name valid ATM. Let's use Wikidata data model powerfulness ! <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 17:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::{{Ping|TomT0m}} I appreciate your opinion, but it ignores the simple fact that for the overwhelming majority of our subjects with married names, we have neither an exact date nor even a year of their marriage.  Of course, the situation is even more complicated for persons who have been married more than once.  We need a property that identifies and collects all married names of a subject person within a single property, and that provides the flexibility to address the multiple married name formats not only in English-speaking countries, but multiple countries and cultures around the world.  Stuffing married names into the "family name" property -- which only permits the entry of single-word linked family names -- does not do that.  Please see my comment @Jura1 above regarding examples of the multiple formats of married names around the globe; the "family name" property simply is not made to purpose.  Thanks.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::: {{Ping|Dirtlawyer1}} "the "family name" property simply is not made to purpose" => See the study about names on the talkpage of {{WikiProject|Name}} for the different naming schemes in the world. This IS NOT a problem about married names, this is about all naming scheme. A scecialized property for married named won't help at all. I don't see how such a property will help if there is no known date either. It's exactly the same problem. It's enough to put the last known name with the "preferred" rank, and to use end date qualifiers and maybe qualifier about the order in sequence if we have no name. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 19:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{s}} The advantage of having "married name" as a simple string parallel to {{P|1477}} is that this is very easy to extract and use (and very easy to understand).  Any scheme that involves qualifiers immediately is made a lot harder to query -- even more so if one would then have to filter out any other reasons why a name might have been changed.  In contrast with two simple properties for birth-name and married-name, it becomes very easy to see whether one of those fields is missing.<br?>I am not against making sure that the married family-name is ''also'' reflected as a value for {{P|734}} -- just as the relevant family-name part of a {{P|1477}} would be reflected in that way.  Having an explicit property for the full married name as a string, parallel to {{P|1477}}, in fact makes it easier to achieve and maintain appropriate values for the {{P|734}} property, because it then becomes easy to check that values corresponding to both the {{P|1477}} string and the married-name string are present -- when these two properties are known and distinct, then there ought to be the correspondingly appropriate number of distinct values for {{P|734}}.  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
** {{Ping|Jheald}} This argument has little to do with "married name" as such, it would hold for the name of the person as well. Plus ... it's a lot worse. A person can be married several time, how would this work ? We would have to create a "second married name" ? This would be a property mess. For this, rename "name at birth" "full name", and use ranks and date, per the same reasoning I used above. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 20:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
***{{ping|TomT0m}} If we were to go down that route, it would make it very difficult to systematically extract birth names for a particular group of people.  Having to use comparison operators on qualifier dates for a variety of full name values would kill query performance stone dead.<br />Yes, there will be cases where there will be more than one married name.  But in such cases one will usually want to extract all of them, and one can use an ORDER BY clause.  On the other hand, one may well want the original birth name in a separate column, and that would be a total nightmare with the system you suggest.  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
**** {{Ping|Jheald}} I'm pretty sure it's not harder to do a min or max in SPARQL than to do an order by clause. <small>(plus I'm pretty dubious that it's not really a usecase to extract birth names for a particular group of people. To extract the birth name or someone for its infobox OK, apart from that ...</small> I really hate the proliferation of naming properties we can currently see pop down in the suggest list. You really have to be an expert to choose the right one. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 21:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
**** PS: It is possible, see http://rdf.myexperiment.org/howtosparql?page=GROUP%20BY for example. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 21:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
*****The point is that you are then relying on ''all'' of the date qualifiers to be in place and to be correct, simply to extract the birth name -- it's a lot more robust simply to have a birth name property, then you don't have to rely on any qualifiers to identify the right value.<br />Yes, you could introduce an additional sub-query for each individual, to join in all the names and all the date qualifiers into the query, with an ORDER BY and a LIMIT 1 to extract the earliest (''if'' all of the qualifiers are there and correct) -- but it makes a hell of a lot more work; plus you would probably have to hand-optimise it, because the auto-optimiser is a bit random when it comes to queries involving sub-queries.  (A sub-query is needed rather than GROUP BY because one can extract the earliest date with GROUP BY and MIN(), but there's no obvious way to get the name that goes with it).<br />Finally, I don't think it is unrealistic for users to potentially want a list of individuals that included a column of birth-names and a separate column of married names.  Particularly for a print-out, that is very often exactly the format one wants. (Something like this <code>tinyurl.com/nwwk6ny</code>, though at the moment we're a bit short of data). [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
* A further thought: it may make most sense to introduce the "married name" property as a qualifier to {{P|26}}.  This would be the way to most directly associate the property with the right dates (if available) and the right spouse.  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
**{{Ping|Jheald}} Good thought, but that only works if (a) we know at least the common, if not full name of the spouse, and (b) the spouse field may be entered as a plain text string (not linked text) for non-notable spouses.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
**Not sure how this would work for {{Q|1943636}} or {{Q|567}}. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
***{{Ping|Jura1}} I will let [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] speak for himself, but I believe that Angela Merkel's legal married name is "Angela Dorothea Merkel," in keeping with the German name laws.  When Merkel divorced her first husband she kept the Merkel name, and did not take her second husband's name when she remarried in 1998 (presumably because she was already well known publicly and politically as "Angela Merkel").  Had Merkel taken her second husband's name, as an example, the proposed property should be able to accommodate additional married names from second and third marriages, etc.  Molly Meacher's legal married name is "Molly Christine Meacher," which appears to be relatively straightforward.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:15, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{O}} per Yair rand. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:58, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
* '''Strong''' {{S}}. Saying <family name:Clinton> with a start date doesn't tell us if her married name is Hilary Clinton or Hilary Rodham-Clinton or Hilary Clinton Rodham. We need this property with text datatype to specify the name she uses. 'Family name' can then be a qualifier to 'married name' to show what family names she uses since she is married with a different set of 'family names' as qualifier to her birth name. [[User:Filceolaire|Joe Filceolaire]] ([[User talk:Filceolaire|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
* {{S}}, but it will need to be clarified that it is to be the full name, not just the assumed family name (or we can do it that way and make it 'item' datatype in line with 'family name'). [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh Baumgartner]] ([[User talk:Joshbaumgartner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
**Josh, it is intended that the datatype be text (not a linked item) and that the full married name be used, not just the assumed family name.  Because of the various different types and forms of married names -- e.g., husband's family name, compound-hyphenated name, feminine version of husband's family name, maiden name as middle name + husband's family name, etc. -- the simplest and most accurate way to enter the name in every instance is text format.  As it is, we do not have items for every surname.  [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:05, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
** Maybe "full married name" would be a better label to use to make it clearer. - [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{S}}, Some women can be married up to 10 times, think Bonnie Lee Bakley, and get a new name each time, or they may carry over the surname of the previous husband and hyphenate it with the new husband. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:44, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{s}} - [[User:Brya|Brya]] ([[User talk:Brya|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Dirtlawyer1|Yair rand|Pasleim|Jura1|TomT0m|Pigsonthewing}}{{ping|Joshbaumgartner|Nikki|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Brya|Jheald}}--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Québec cultural heritage directory people identifier
| de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) -->
| fr = identifiant des personnes au RPCQ
<!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2592
|description            = {{TranslateThis
| en = people listed on the Répertoire du patrimoine culturel du Québec
|fr = personne inscrit au Répertoire du patrimoine culturel du Québec
  }}
|subject item           = Q3456276
|infobox parameter      = 
|datatype               = external-id
|domain                 = {{Q|215627}}, {{Q|5}}
|allowed values         = \d{4,5}
|source                 = http://www.patrimoine-culturel.gouv.qc.ca/rpcq/rechercheProtege.do?methode=afficher
|example                = {{Q|22342916}} → [http://www.patrimoine-culturel.gouv.qc.ca/rpcq/detail.do?methode=consulter&id=7545&type=pge 7545]
|formatter URL          = http://www.patrimoine-culturel.gouv.qc.ca/rpcq/detail.do?methode=consulter&id=$1&type=pge
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = 
}}

;Motivation

This property will can be usefull to source a architecte to a house he made, or a historic people to the house he lived. The property url and a the constraint are different of {{P|633}}. [[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:22, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{support}} seems pretty good. By the way, the example page cites biographi.ca which seems good too, I don't think we have any property for it at the moment either. --{{Unsigned|Zolo}}
:: {{Ping|Zolo}}: If i check biographi.ca, it is not realy a ID, but it shoud be fesable to create a string property (ex.: {{Q|3266045}} --> [http://biographi.ca/en/bio/duvernay_ludger_8F.html duvernay_ludger_8F]) --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
::: {{Ping|Zolo}} {{done}} with {{P|2592}} --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = National-Football-Teams.com player id
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2574
|infobox parameter	= pid in [[:en:template:NFT_player]] and other language equivalents.
|domain			= {{Q|5}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= [[USer:EdgarsBot|My bot]] can import values from Wikipedias
}}

;Motivation
One of the last (I think) major football databases, useful for references. [[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:14, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
I've already suggested it in the Person category ([[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#National-Football-Teams.com_player_id]]). I'm not sure which section (Authority Control or Person) is better, to be honest. [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:13, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, didn't notice it. Well, all those external identifiers have been proposed here. But we could merge these requests. --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:28, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
::I don't know what the procedure would be to merge proposals, but I {{S}} your proposal for this. I'll link to this proposal from my proposal, and withdraw it, as I think this version is probably better. I've change the name to National-Football-Teams.com player id as it's less ambiguious, and added a description and template parameter. [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

{{Ping|Edgars2007|Silverfish}} {{Done}} {{P|2574}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = B2Q Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec (BAnQ) indentity
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec (BAnQ) ID
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Authority control for the Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec (BAnQ)
  }}
|subject item           = Q22916615
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= External identifier
|domain			= people, documents
|allowed values		= numeric
|source			= VIAF
|example		= 0000050788 → {{Q|127912}}
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation

Full property being linked to by VIAF [[User:Hazmat2|Hazmat2]] ([[User talk:Hazmat2|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
{{o}} According to the [http://viaf.org/viaf/partnerpages/B2Q.html VIAF partner page] the authority file is not online and I have not been able to find anything sensible by the number "0000015804" in the B2Q catalogues. Thus VIAF would be our only source and we neither could verify the number nor do something meaningful with it. -- [[User:Gymel|Gymel]] ([[User talk:Gymel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:10, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} Per Gymel.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Latvian Olympic Committee athlete ID
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2593
|domain			= {{Q|5}}
|robot and gadget jobs	= [[User:EdgarsBot|My bot]] can import values from Wikipedias
}}

;Motivation
Useful source for Olympic athletes from Latvia; used widely in Latvian Wikipedia. Would like to match these entries to Wikidata items. --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
If somebody wants to say, that this is ''minor'' database/property, then I would like to note, that we already have ID for Sweden ({{P|2323}}). But I understand, that Latvia isn't Sweden ;) --[[User:Edgars2007|Edgars2007]] ([[User talk:Edgars2007|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
* {{support}} Good external source for this topic. --[[User:Papuass|Papuass]] ([[User talk:Papuass|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

{{Ping|Edgars2007|Papuass}} {{Done}}, see {{P|2593}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:25, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Code for Indonesian Administrative Division
| id = Kode Wilayah Administrasi Pemerintahan di Indonesia
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2588
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = Unique identification code for administrative division of the Republic of Indonesia
 | id = Kode penanda khusus untuk pembagian administradi di Republik Indonesia 
 }}
|subject item           = <!-- item corresponding to the concept represented by the property, if applicable; example: item ORCID (Q51044) for property ORCID (P496) -->
|infobox parameter	= <!-- Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]] -->
|datatype		= external identifier
|domain			= settlements in Indonesia
|allowed values		= four numbers separated by decimal point
|source			= http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah
|example		= {{Q|13098442}} → 33.22.06.2008

|formatter URL		=
|filter			=
|robot and gadget jobs	=
}}

;Motivation

Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of identifiers, creating new item when necessary. [[User:Beeyan|Beeyan]] ([[User talk:Beeyan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

* {{strong support}} It is needed so we can start [[User:Siska.Doviana|Siska.Doviana]] ([[User talk:Siska.Doviana|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:20, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} '''&middot;&middot;&middot;''' <span style="border-bottom: solid 2px teal;">[[User:Rachmat04|👦 '''Rachmat04''']] '''&middot;''' [[User talk:Rachmat04|💬]]</span> 04:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} [[User:Mariyanah|Mariyanah]]

{{done}} {{ping|Siska.Doviana|Rachmat04|Mariyanah}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Statistics Indonesia ethnicity code
| id = kode suku bangsa Badan Pusat Statistik
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2589
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = ethnicity code in Indonesia by Statistics Indonesia
 | id = kode suku bangsa di Indonesia oleh Badan Pusat Statistik
 }}
|subject item           = <!-- item corresponding to the concept represented by the property, if applicable; example: item ORCID (Q51044) for property ORCID (P496) -->
|infobox parameter	= <!-- Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]] -->
|datatype		= external identifier
|domain			= ethnicity in Indonesia
|allowed values		= five digits, the last digit separated by space
|source			= http://microdata.bps.go.id/mikrodata/index.php/catalog/SP
|example		= {{Q|49209}} → 0114 6
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= <!-- (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]]) -->
|robot and gadget jobs	= <!-- Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.) -->
}}

;Motivation


Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of ethnicities from Statistics Indonesia [[User:Beeyan|Beeyan]] ([[User talk:Beeyan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
* {{strong support}} would be interesting to add [[User:Siska.Doviana|Siska.Doviana]] ([[User talk:Siska.Doviana|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:20, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} '''&middot;&middot;&middot;''' <span style="border-bottom: solid 2px teal;">[[User:Rachmat04|👦 '''Rachmat04''']] '''&middot;''' [[User talk:Rachmat04|💬]]</span> 04:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} [[User:Mariyanah|Mariyanah]] ([[User talk:Mariyanah|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{comment}} If it's an external id, we need a formatter URL and the example should contain a full link (and only show the id). [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
**Actually, we don't. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 07:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

** Hello {{ping|Mbch331}}, it's PDF file. It doesn't have a formatted URL. --[[User:Beeyan|Beeyan]] ([[User talk:Beeyan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Siska.Doviana|Rachmat04|Mariyanah}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Statistics Indonesia language code
| id = kode bahasa Badan Pusat Statistik
| de = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN German (optional) -->
| fr = <!-- PROPERTY NAME IN French (optional) -->
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2590
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = language code in Indonesia by Statistics Indonesia
 | id = kode bahasa di Indonesia oleh Badan Pusat Statistik
 }}
|subject item           = <!-- item corresponding to the concept represented by the property, if applicable; example: item ORCID (Q51044) for property ORCID (P496) -->
|infobox parameter	= <!-- Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in [[:en:template:infobox settlement]] -->
|datatype		= external identifier
|domain			= language in Indonesia
|allowed values		= five digits, the last digit separated by space
|source			= http://microdata.bps.go.id/mikrodata/index.php/catalog/SP
|example		= {{Q|33549}} → 0088 3
|formatter URL		= <!-- for external identifiers, URL pattern where $1 replaces the value -->
|filter			= <!-- (sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter [[Special:AbuseFilter/17]]) -->
|robot and gadget jobs	= <!-- Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.) -->
}}

;Motivation

Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of languages from Statistics Indonesia [[User:Beeyan|Beeyan]] ([[User talk:Beeyan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:38, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
* {{strong support}} Yes, it is needed so we can start adding data [[User:Siska.Doviana|Siska.Doviana]] ([[User talk:Siska.Doviana|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} '''&middot;&middot;&middot;''' <span style="border-bottom: solid 2px teal;">[[User:Rachmat04|👦 '''Rachmat04''']] '''&middot;''' [[User talk:Rachmat04|💬]]</span> 04:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} [[User:Mariyanah|Mariyanah]] ([[User talk:Mariyanah|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
* {{comment}} If it's an external id, we need a formatter URL and the example should contain a full link (and only show the id). [[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

** Hello {{ping|Mbch331}}, it's PDF file. It doesn't have a formatted URL. --[[User:Beeyan|Beeyan]] ([[User talk:Beeyan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

{{done}} {{ping|Siska.Doviana|Rachmat04|Mariyanah}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = ASF KID Cave Tag Number
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= not done
|description		= {{TranslateThis
  | en = Unique identifier for caves within the Karst Index Database of the Australian Speleological Federation
  }}
|subject item           = Q35509
|infobox parameter	= No parameters known to exist, however a new parameter could be added to [[:en:template:infobox cave]]
|datatype		= string
|domain			= {{Q|35509}}
|allowed values		= string pattern: <nowiki>([A-Z]|\d){1-3}\-X?\d+</nowiki>
|source			= [http://kid.caves.org.au/kid Karst Index Database of the Australian Speleological Federation]
|example		= {{Q|10954073}} → 6WI-38
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= Manual import is most likely
}}

;Motivation

Most of the information known about caves within Australia is held by numerous caving clubs/societies, with the ASF hosting a database (KID) which aims to collate the knowledge held by clubs into one shared source. The database contains a list of caves known within Australia, as well as detailed data on the characteristics of each cave (length, depth, features, date of discovery, etc). Caves usually have a little metal tag at the entrance stating the cave area code and serial number of the cave within the area. This unique identifier is referred to in literature published by speleological/caving societies, on maps and in books. [[User:Dhx1|Dhx1]] ([[User talk:Dhx1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}

{{not done}} Lack of support.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Boundary
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = not done
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Link to a GeoJSON file describing the boundary of the place.
  }}
|datatype               = URL
|domain                 = {{Q|618123}}
|example		= {{Q|100}} → http://example.org/Boston.json
|allowed values         = File should contain a polygon or multipolygon corresponding to the boundaries of the geographical location.
|source                 = Wikimedia Commons
}}

;Motivation

I want to programmatically get shapes for use in interactive maps such as the one demonstrated in [[mw:Extension:Graph/Interactive_Graph_Tutorial]].

;{{int:Talk}}

Maybe properties would be more useful than links, so it would be easy to write a single query that fetches a whole group of place boundaries along with another property such as ISO code. {{unsigned|Ejegg}}

* {{Oppose}} using the URL datatype. This should use the [[phab:T57549|GeoShapes]] datatype when it becomes available. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

{{not done}} --[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
*{{ping|Micru}} Seems a bit early to close as "not done". <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 19:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jura}} The oppose reason seemed quite conclusive to me. Do you have further arguments? I can reopen it if you wish to add something.--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:::If there are such files at Commons, I don't see why we couldn't have some sort of a link to retrieve them. It's not even sure if [[phab:T57549]] is ever to be done. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 22:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Jura1}} Can you please tell me where are the json files in Commons? I was unable to find them...--[[User:Micru|Micru]] ([[User talk:Micru|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Micru}} It says so in the proposal, let's ask its author {{ping|Ejegg}} <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 16:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Number of out of school children
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2573
|domain			= countries, regions 
|source			= Initial import from http://data.uis.unesco.org/ UNESCO Institute for Statistics, could include other sources.
}}

;Motivation
Useful information about the level of education, can be applied to countries, regions etc, initial import of data from the UNESCO Institute for Statistics. This is part of my work as Wikimedian in Residence at UNESCO. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

;{{int:Talk}}
*{{comment}} if you want to import a series of fields, please draw a list, map them to existing characteristics and then propose any missing ones. I don't think we should repeat the NIOSH experience. For identifiers, I'd just go ahead on propose them. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 04:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jura1}} Can you explain what you mean by 'the NIOSH experience'? [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I plan to import some of the data from the UNESCO UIS database starting with [http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=EDULIT_DS&popupcustomise=true&lang=en the education data].

The plan for this property would be to add claims to countries using the following qualifiers:

# Male or female
# Primary age
# Lower secondary age
# Pre Primary education
# Year with the oldest data would come from 1999 and the most recent is in most cases from 2014

Not all data is available for all countries on all dates
[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

{{Ping|John Cummings}} {{Done}} {{P|2573}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Pigsonthewing}}, thanks very much Andy. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = Australian Wetlands Database Directory of Important Wetlands Reference Code
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status                 = 2584
|description            = {{TranslateThis
  | en = Identifier of an important Australian wetland listed in the Australian Wetlands Database Directory of Important Wetlands managed by the Australian Government Department of the Environment
  }}
|subject item           = Q170321
|infobox parameter      = No existing property is known to exist, and no wetland infobox is known to exist. Perhaps [[:en:template:Designation list]] could be updated
|datatype               = external-id
|domain                 = {{Q|170321}} where {{P|706}} = {{Q|3960}} (approximation only)
|allowed values         = string pattern: <nowiki>(ACT|VIC|NSW|SA|TAS|QLD|WA|NT|EXT)\d+</nowiki>
|source                 = [http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/wetlands/search.pl?smode=DOIW Australian Wetlands Database » Directory of Important Wetlands]
|example                = {{Q|5563129}} → [http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/wetlands/report.pl?smode=DOIW&doiw_refcodelist=ACT002 ACT002]
|formatter URL          = http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/wetlands/report.pl?smode=DOIW&doiw_refcodelist=$1
|filter                 = 
|robot and gadget jobs  = It may be possible to scrape IDs from the database and then import into Wikidata using mix-and-match
}}

;Motivation

The Australian Wetlands Database Directory of Important Wetlands is the authoritative reference managed by the Australian Government Department of the Environment listing important {{Q|170321}}s within {{Q|408}}. Within the database, numerous fields of additional data exist such as location, area, elevation, wetland type, various descriptions and justification for categorisation as an important wetland. Approval of this property would significantly enhance Wikidata's understanding of Australian wetlands (natural environment), and increase understanding of the {{Q|170170}}. [[User:Dhx1|Dhx1]] ([[User talk:Dhx1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


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: {{s}} Seem usefull. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{s}}. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 18:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{ping|TomT0m|Dhx1}} {{done}} --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = INSEE region code | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = code région Insee <!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2585
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = number sequence for the identification of regions in France
 | fr = numéro pour l'identification des régions en France
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages-->
 }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			=  {{Q|36784}}
|allowed values		= chaîne de caractères
|source			= http://www.insee.fr/fr/methodes/default.asp?page=nomenclatures/cog/codes_regions_2016.htm
|example		= {{Q|12130}} → 53
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 2-digit number between 01 and 94 (\d{2})
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation
We already have other identifiers from the Code officiel géographique : {{P|374}} for communes and {{P|2506}} for cantons. This proposal fills the gap for regions. [[User:Ash Crow|Ash Crow]] ([[User talk:Ash Crow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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:{{s}}. But this is of limited use, really. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}} --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
: {{ping|Ash Crow|Thierry Caro}} {{done}} C'est fait. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = INSEE departement code | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = code département Insee <!-- |xx = NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN D'AUTRES LANGUES -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= 2586
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = number sequence for the identification of departements in France
 | fr = numéro pour l'identification des départements en France
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other languages-->
 }}
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= external-id
|domain			=  {{Q|6465}}
|allowed values		= chaîne de caractères
|source			= http://www.insee.fr/fr/methodes/nomenclatures/cog/telechargement/2015/txt/depts2015.txt
|example		= {{Q|3349}} → 22
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 2-digit number between 01 and 19 or between 21 and 95, or values 2A, 2B, 69D, 69M, 3-digit number starting with 97 or 98.
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation
We already have other identifiers from the Code officiel géographique : {{P|374}} for communes and {{P|2506}} for cantons. This proposal fills the gap for departements. [[User:Ash Crow|Ash Crow]] ([[User talk:Ash Crow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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:{{s}}. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:{{s}}. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Ash Crow|Thierry Caro}} {{done}} --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:47, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = driving side
<!-- |xx = property names in some other languages -->
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
 | en = Whether vehicles in a state must drive on the left, or the right.
<!-- | xx = descriptions in other 
-->
 }}
|datatype               = item
|domain                 = sovereign states
|subject item           = 
|infobox parameter	= 
|allowed values         = {{Q|13196750}} or {{Q|14565199}} (or dedicated items)
|source			= <!-- external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc. -->
|example		= {{Q|145}} → {{Q|13196750}}
}}

;Motivation

Basic but essential info. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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*{{Support}}, although the domain should be geographic regions rather than sovereign states as e.g. Gibraltar and Hong Kong drive on the opposite side to the United Kingdom and China respectively. This could also be done with {{p|31}} and an item "region where traffic drives on the left" (or right) I suppose, but that feels clumsier. Either way {{p|518}} should be available as a qualifier. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] (talk: [[user talk:Thryduulf|local]] | [[w:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wp]] | [[wikt:user talk:Thryduulf|en.wikt]]) 14:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
ːWe have {{P|1622}}, what else is that used for? -- [[User:Innocent bystander|Innocent bystander]] ([[User talk:Innocent bystander|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Withdrawn - I missed {{P|1622}}, sorry. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

=== {{TranslateThis | anchor = en
| en = topographic prominence | de = <!-- NOM DE LA PROPRIÉTÉ EN ALLEMAND (optionnel) --> | fr = hauteur de culminance |it = prominenza topografica
}} ===
{{Property proposal
|status			= withdrawn
|description		= {{TranslateThis
| en = For any given summit, this would store how higher it is than its highest base.
  }}
|subject item           = Q656751
|infobox parameter	= 
|datatype		= number
|domain			= {{Q|8502}}
|allowed values		= From 0 to 8,848 m, which is the highest possible value, the one that applies to {{Q|513}}.
|source			= 
|example		= {{Q|Q739484}} → 2,886 m
|formatter URL		= 
|filter			= 
|robot and gadget jobs	= 
}}

;Motivation
When it comes to numbers, mountains should not be dealt with only by looking at their altitude. We should store other data such as {{Q|Q656751}}. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:00, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Eventually, we can probably use {{P|2048}} with qualifiers. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:{{comment}} Except for Everest, not sure if it's that useful to combine the two in the same field. <br/>--- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::There is no mixing because {{P|2044}} is for altitude. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)